Nope.
Trump fans don't care.
Harris fans saw confirmation.
Disinterested voters didn't watch.
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...and a news media that desperately needs a horse race for clicks will continue to hold Harris to a higher standard than the orange Mr. Magoo.
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People not voting for Harris because of Gaza need to avoid watching the debate, otherwise they’ll change their minds. No matter how bad things are, they can get worse.
Still not voting for genocide.
If things get worse, we'll just have to do something other than vote won't we?
Aaaaaand that's a block
What, are you gonna be on the front lines with your guns shooting? The overwhelming majority of people with this mindset have never held a firearm in their entire lives and have no idea what they're even talking about. What are you even insinuating here? Is your end goal that we burn the entire country down because "wahhhhh both sides aren't perfect"? Grow up, only children refuse to see greater good through compromise because they can't see past not getting what they want. Single issue voters love to stick their head in the sand and pretend the one issue that they're whinging about is the most important in the world.
Have fun standing on your "genocide" comment when you're in a fascist dictatorship run by nazis. "but but but the genocide wah"
I'm insinuating that we can become ungovernable and force the government to capitulate to our demands. Mass protest, general strike, public disruptions, boycott, we have options to fight back.
Instead of just voting every couple years.
Over people dying in another country? And not for important things like disenfranchising and taxes?
Yikes. Genocide is pretty fucking important.
Important, but not to the level of civil disobedience like when we protested police abuse and systemic racism. Like a 4/10 judging by people's actions.
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You're organizing those things, or at least joining others who are organizing, right?
As much as we can, plus financial support.
But I'm not going to organize a protest in a rural cornfield lol
So you support genocide because you live in a cornfield? Cool.
It's not like you're out there fucking volunteering for Harris anyway. Do you want Trump to win??? 🙄
Another narcissistic comment. You assume everyone else must live in a cornfield doing nothing because you do. SAD, especially since you support genocide.
I know, for a fact, that most people don't do anything political other than vote every few years. I'm assuming you're one of them.
Am I wrong?
I donate to bail funds and resistance orgs.
I bet you haven't donated to Harris.
Hey guess what? Fascists dont give a fuck about that shit, youll end up in a puddle of your own blood cause ya wont have the numbers. If it didnt work out for the fighters at Blair mountain a hundred year ago what makes ya think youll achieve anything.
Fuck ya'd have a better chance doing random acts of terrorism that put the fucken IRA to shame. Still probably end up in a ditch but you could probably kill some of the ones trying to kill you.
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You first.
That's... Not how it works?
We do it together..
"Still not voting for genocide"
You say as you side with Hamas who openly calls for the genocide of the Jewish race.
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If you don't want to vote for genocide you need to move to a different country, because that's never gonna change
I'm right where I need to be. 😉
Guess you're not voting then.
I was going to write in Aaron Bushnell for President but I think I'll vote PSL
Democracy exist so we don't have to reach that point, please, go vote.
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God this take is such a loser position. "Fine, I'll just take my ball and play a different sport!"
Guess what dummy, you're playing soccer with these Yahoos whether you like it or not so pick a fucking side and THEN ALSO DO MORE."
...burn the fucking barn down with the animals in it, ya dumb bystander...
Guess what dummy, you're playing soccer with these Yahoos whether you like it
Yeah, actually a lot of us are very aware of the game and how it's played. Are you? You know most of us aren't in swing states, right? So what is my protest vote going to affect again? My vote already doesn't matter in a presidential election. It's literally never mattered as long as I've been a voting adult.
or not so pick a fucking side and THEN ALSO DO MORE."
Yeah I have picked a side. The anti-capitalist side. Which of these parties are anti -capitalist, again?
99% of y'all are calling out this user saying they'll "do nothing and be smug" instead of voting, but y'all are just gonna vote blue and similarly be smug, do nothing, but continue to run defense for millionaires and one of the most powerful capitalist political parties in the world.
At least this user won't be doing the latter.
Sitting on the sidelines while the world burns around you and complaining about it is highly effective. Withholding a protest vote (for either side) and supporting voter apathy is lame as hell.
At least when the capitalists are fucking you, regardless of who wins, you can smugly yell "I didn't consent".
Withholding a protest vote (for either side) and supporting voter apathy is lame as hell.
What are you talking about? You know there are more than two candidates running, right? I'm literally saying I will be voting third party in a presidential election as I always have, and me voting third party has literally never mattered because the electoral college. Who's withholding their vote? Although, that doesn't mean I think voting in a bourgeois democracy is actually a meaningful expression of political power and organization.
You're all hand winging about people on the left who just don't want to vote Democrat, again even in states where the result is already known. You can't even dare to criticize Democrats or send any message even in safe states like CA, WA, or NY. Because the handful of conscientious leftists are definitely gonna flip CA red or could definitely flip MS blue if they sucked it up and went for Kamala.
When the capitalists continue to fuck us , you'll have done fuck all to push socialism because you spend all your time, again, running defense for one of the two most powerful capitalist institutions in the world.
In a fptp system, only the two main candidates matter once the primaries are done.
We know this.
In an electoral college system, only swing states matter.
But parties will pay attention if votes are siphoned from them. If you're not in a swing state, a third party vote has basically no negative effect but may have a positive effect of influencing a major party.
I think it's more than arguable that voting for Kamala in Louisiana or Mississippi or even potentially California is a bigger waste of a vote than voting third party.
Did she? I listened to the debate and she sounded mid for most of it. She spent more time attacking Trump than she did answering the questions she was asked.
Sure, she fared better than her predecessor, but "not shitting her pants" is a low bar. Trump was definitely worse than her, but again, if the bar is "don't act butthurt when your opponent says your rallies are boring", then congrats, I guess.
Reading comments from both sides, it seems that the left sees her not being geriatric as a win; and the right thinks that Trump was unjustly treated (targeted questions, live fact-checking, etc...), which is absurd considering that (a) they also asked Harris difficult questions (fracking and Israel, for example, which she did have a hard time answering), and (b) he was given free reign to talk out of order more times than I can count.
I think Harris "won" because Trump sucked. He sidestepped questions regarding an abortion ban ("I haven't talked with JD about it" fucking lol) and Ukraine ("Do you want Ukraine to win the war?" "I want the war stopped" TWICE in a row, followed by "I know Putin really well" and a rant about the awesomeness of Victor Orban); he repeatedly told lies (post-birth abortion and pets-eating immigrants being the highlight) which were promptly caught by the live fact-checker, and even showed weakness and undecisiveness ("do you have a plan?" "I have concepts of a plan").
But those are blunders that Trump committed, not something that Harris should take credit for. Nothing I heard screamed of "masterclass" debate, and I doubt that it will give her an edge in the upcoming elections or sway electors one way or the other. After all, the people who lived under four years of Trump's presidency and watched January 6th unfold live, and still call themselves "undecided" are pretty much lying to themselves at this point.
Enlightened centrist bullshit
For fuck's sake, y'all should stop this "enlightened centrist" bullshit whenever someone is slightly critical of the leftist candidate.
Trump sucks. It's incredible that he's even allowed to be a candidate for presidency after the shit he's done. He's dangerous for the US and dangerous for the democracy of the entire world. If there's some justice left in the US system, he will lose the elections and he will pay for his crimes.
Not liking Harris' speech doesn't make me an "enlightened centrist". It just means that I don't think her words were strong enough, or bold enough, to win her new voters, which should be the point of the presidential debate. I think she won because Trump's ineptitude will bleed him some voters, but I'm not willing to credit that to Harris' speech skills.
Fox News poll, right after the debate.
Boomertown.
Fox is conservative STATE propaganda. No different to Russian or North Korean state propaganda. Regardless of the blatant bias, there is literally nothing stopping them from manufacturing this "poll" out of thin air.
Fox isn’t state media. I dislike the mendacious fuckers as much as the next guy but let’s try and stick to facts.
The US has very few state media organizations. Voice of America is one. Radio Free Europe is another.
Fox is an independent organization, if they were state media the Biden admin would have control of their news. That obviously isn’t the case.
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