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[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

I feel like there's maybe also a bit of disappointment in open-source going around? The last few years have shown that it's not the silver bullet, it was thought to be.

Companies will find ways to relicense contributions via CLAs, or to just straight up violate your copyright with GenAI. And even projects that technically tick all the open-source boxes, like Chromium and parts of Android, can and do exert plenty control over users, because no one has the manpower to fork them.

Then there's plenty unethical companies making use of open-source, and they rarely contribute back to make up for it.
Nevermind that the open-source infrastructure is owned by corporations (GitHub, Discord etc.).

And it feels ever more present to me that publishing things as open-source means maintenance work, which can quickly lead to burnout. People just expect you to provide updates, no matter what your license text says.

Like, I certainly don't either think that not doing open-source is any closer to a solution. But I'm finally at a point where I feel like my code is useful and good enough to publish, and it just feels like either my only 'users' are corporations scraping my code, or if I promote it, then it's just a ton of maintenance work waiting for me.
I don't know, maybe that's also just a me-problem...

[–] Solemarc@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If you look at projects in more popular languages like JS, Rust, Python. There is plenty of new blood in the contributors list. I won't speculate as to why, but it looks like the new generation doesn't like c and c++.

I think this is also backed up by the Linux kernel and thunderbird projects. Both are old c/c++ codebases and both have stated they are adopting rust in hopes of drawing interest (and contributors) from the rust community.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 points 4 months ago

I won’t speculate as to why, but it looks like the new generation doesn’t like c and c++.

It's not that hard to know why - these languages have footguns literally everywhere. They seem simple and powerful at first, but they turn into a monster soon enough. There are simply objectively better alternatives today, like Rust. It shouldn't be surprising, it's been so many decades after all.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Young people today are struggling to make ends meet - they don't have enough comfort and free time to be able to donate their labor.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

God it's not even that, the general tech knowledge has just plowed into the ground

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's true, but that's also just the general populous, who weren't ever contributing to open source anyways.
I don't think the quality of coders (professional or hobby) has really declined that much.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

oh it definitely has. I've been in the industry since last century, the actual poke everything, do this for fun, invest yourself, wild jockey type...well we're a dying breed.

[–] GarlicToast@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago

I don't see a reduced number of CS students that enjoy poking around. I see an increase in the number of students that are there only for the good salary. Making the poking type into a smaller percentage.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago

Our civilization demands that I be profitable to a parasite who leeches a majority of my labour’s value in order to accumulate obscene levels of wealth.

Without exorbitant amounts of time spent maintaining that profitability, I will end up poor, homeless, and eventually dead from exposure. This leaves vanishingly little time to spend on open source work, regardless of how intellectually and ethically attractive it may be.