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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can't you guys tell your MPs to get that shit out of here?

[–] itsmikeyd@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Oh believe me we will, but we have to wait for them to call an election (likely autumn 2024). They're roundly despised and they know it. They're just milking as much as they can before they're flung out of Parliament.

They're a disgrace.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Is there any indication that Labour would be any better on this particular issue?

[–] WeThePilgrims@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago

Very very very little indication they would be better, and I'm very left of center in politics.

Starmer is very suss as far as I'm concerned, I'm not at all comfortable with his purges...if he gets in, we'll see.

[–] itsmikeyd@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Idk. Im very pessimistic that this county is capable of any reasonable decision making tbh.

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[–] Rusticus@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Apple has said they’ll pull out of UK if required. I won’t use any software that abides.

[–] clmbmb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Apple are operating in China by caving in to the government. I don't think they'll be more radical with the UK.

[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I ~~might~~ be cynical af but I believe China is a market they can't ignore, but the UK, well...they can afford to send a message there. With some quick google-fu it looks like Apple sells more iPhones about every 8 days than it sells in the UK in a year. That's comparing 2023 numbers for China to 2019 numbers in the UK for the record, I'm too lazy to look past the first few links really, and doubt that math would change enough to ruin the point.

They also wouldn't pull out of the UK, they would likely just revert to SMS there in the messages app rather than give the UK a back door into their encryption.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Of course they could ignore China, they just choose not to because they want more money.

[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Yes and no, fiduciary duty to shareholders plus they rely on China for manufacturing.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is why I'm worried about Signal. Signal is designed as a central service, which means its easy to block/kill. If similar laws are brought to the country Signal operates from then it could be shutdown. Centralized applications are easy to monetize and easy to kill.

[–] supercheesecake@aussie.zone 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Alternatives that aren’t so obscure you can’t get your family/friends to switch?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Perfect doesn't have to be the enemy of good. Signal is Good, it could be better. There is a architectural weakness. There will be some other messenger that ticks all the boxes in the future, hopefully they will take what signal has done and continue to improve it.

Signal is the easy for adoption because of the phone number as identity, but its weak because of the centralization. Its currently the best option. I don't want to spend effort moving normal people to Briar or Session until its absolutely necessary, or those applications improve the onboarding experience.

https://www.securemessagingapps.com/

[–] Candid_Technology_66@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You can't send voice messages and videos or any type of file except for photos on Briar. I don't have a problem with that myself, but it uses a lot of battery power.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 2 years ago

Briar is a long way from being generally useful to typical users, but i think its a gold standard example of something that is unkillable.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago

Simplex chat is the only one I was able to popularize and its based in the UK

[–] birdcat@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Oh wow, the great UK really seems to love to show the world how advanced they are. Decrypt this then 🙄

Password is only 8 characters.

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----

jA0ECQMIg4RgH82c4/j+0sC6ASlYlE5UsjX2pJ7EL+c/XvjBdn2sfeaWyVZQenMW h+eMDp4vCSbhvVHpzVjwo0mJVKyLnINzjelRVQH0mPBuvs8wsGPitJ04xkixBrEI j/BDvunCqQHKh2rDSbqubuA64+74Zg2FqGsAgnTrxfK/78AFPfL1jM4GODxLt5IT duxVd06lE/zqJmhBL0uInovdKRsOjDoueHJBeXOSFpfYCoUcQsNkcOCZ7XiaaQus CUKVs1nCHWQZtjlRTxUzBRjkNFFVumXY+XI2S35ER8FveB6LdL0bqWCsJxSVUCMb +G3v5ckD/dvxVCrjxfeA4Xlvvk5ivZwsmkaWLz0KUl8tooxD3LBmbU3OTZ27sRxW SgTwGewFgxDTAlcbKaW46WI/Stbs3knYc2rQbMpu/DHqjz2GsYBENXOZEMYCnNtB tgRj6I5IqPieP2ZHUBXu8/ijL6Kl6UxKRtit7m0kttCfFWY8a1yhRfXGn57ZByxi Tj8jFHypznwgpSTE =cl6h -----END PGP MESSAGE-----

[–] freddo@feddit.nu 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oi M8 do you have a loicense for that Encryption? No? Well then, pay the foine or be branded a terrurist within the Five Eyes. /s

[–] elvis_depresley@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

how can you even prove that it’s something encrypted and not random text?

I’m not sure how you can “ban encryption” lol

[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 13 points 2 years ago

This is a random string of emojis btw, there's nothing to see here.

🙃💵🌿🎤🚪🌏🐎🥋🚫😆😍🕹ℹ😁🎈🏎😂☂😊📂☀🙃🌉🔄💧🐅😂🌊🍎☂👣😊😊👁🍵🎅👉🚫💧☺🍌🏎🎃🗒

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago

The law laws will be written so that they don't need to prove it. The suspicion will be enough, and innocent people will be punished for transmitting or storing unintelligible data.

[–] Ricaz@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Actually I just made up my own written language that happens to consist of 64 case-sensitive characters in one string. This is how I communicate

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[–] Marxine@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When it isn't the USA it's their daddy Britain, ffs.

[–] Artemis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

Privilege breeds idiocy

[–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Worldwide? No they aren't. This is clickbait.

[–] sanpo@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sure, the title sounds like clickbait, but the point is: if a big enough player passes these laws, then the other countries may follow.

[–] GobsImage@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

If this, then that. Ok.

[–] renormalizer@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If they force messengers to implement backdoors into the protocol, I doubt they will limit it to UK users. Also, conversations with UK users won't be private anymore even if the other party is from another country.

Client-side scanning might not be enforced for other accounts but when the infrastructure is there other governments will want to use it, too.

[–] michel@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I wonder if it will be analogous to the situation in China. Is an iMessage conversation safe if one party is based in China and their data is stored in data centers there?

[–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That definitely won't happen. Full E2EE apps like Signal, iMessage, and WhatsApp aren't going to risk the worldwide backlash that would come with implementing backdoor access. The UK market isn't that big and definitely not worth it, they'd pull out of the UK entirely first.

[–] renormalizer@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

I hope they will. My guess is that a nonprofit like Signal will pull out. They have nothing to gain and a reputation to lose. The others will probably comply by implementing some form of client-side scanning.

[–] NecoArcKbinAccount@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

UK hermit kingdom speedrun, especially with the rumors of Scotland getting independence.

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[–] Certainity45@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Just two years ago the politicians fearmongered that quantum computers will break every encryption without delay. This bill speaks quite different story.

[–] tristar@lemmyfly.org -1 points 2 years ago

They will... when they finally get invented. For now though, law enforcement will have to do annoying things like "following the word of law" and convincing judges who clearly do not understand the national security implications of kids going to the wrong school to give them warrants.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 years ago

Welp I don't live in the UK so there is not much I can do. I would encourage any UK citizen to protest this immediately. If it still passes openly break the law to make the UK government into a laughing stock

[–] paulcdb@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Or we could all just vote for people that aren’t corrupt… or at least, yet!

If you don’t know who isn’t corrupt, vote for independents that understand technology. I know it’ll never happen so things will continue to go downhill but gees, what do governments have to do to get people to wake up? 🤬

Hell, i’ll be happy if people just stopped believing ‘for the sack of the children’ crap and realise its all about controlling the population! 🙄🤦‍♂️

[–] birdcat@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yea voting is great, but when was the last time the UK had a prime minister that anyone voted for?

[–] glue_snorter@lemmy.sdfeu.org 2 points 2 years ago

We've had four unelected PMs in seven years. (Although TBF two of them did then won elections.)

The answer to your question is Boris Johnson, this time last year.

[–] OrkneyKomodo@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 years ago

I get the importance, but the global implications are being slightly overstated. It may be the thin end of the wedge in terms that it may lead other governments to follow suit. But all that will happen in the short term is that many IM clients will withdraw from the UK. Apple will probably just disable iMessage in the UK.

[–] ran2wall@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

NWO is happening before our very eyes, guys

[–] glue_snorter@lemmy.sdfeu.org 0 points 2 years ago

Android VM in the cloud: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36906140

Early days for this product; comments show some concerns.