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[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 164 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The goddamn system is only a year and a half old, and is finally seeing a wider adoption. If they added a new SKU into the market, it would only confuse and piss off the people who already bought one. These stories about Steam Deck "refreshes" and "upgrades" are fucking stupid, and I hope the shithouses that put them out don't get any review units when the real one finally does hit the market.

[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's how the Chinese handhelds (Retroid and Anbernic, etc) do it they release a new model every few months. I guess they expected Valve to take that approach instead of a console generation approach.

Personally I'd hate it if they did that. Do one every 4-5 years and let the upgrade be significant.

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[–] Stingray@reddthat.com 120 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Steam Deck adds something incredibly valuable that the PC market has never had: a consistent target spec for minimum hardware requirements. Upgrading every couple years would create confusion for which version for developers to focus on. They are treating it like a console, not a PC.

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[–] pastel_de_airfryer@lemmy.eco.br 89 points 2 years ago (7 children)

We all know there won't be a Deck 3. So I hope they take their time on making the second one perfect.

[–] WereCat@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago

What about Deck 2 Revision 1 & 2?

[–] cooopsspace@infosec.pub 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Rofl

They just call it "4" just to fuck with people

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[–] riskable@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)
  • 2025: Steam Deck 2
  • 2045: Steam Deck 3
  • 2050: Steam Deck Eternal
[–] uis@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

2048: Steam Deck

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago

Steam Deck: Alyx

And it'll be a pre-built desktop, or something.

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[–] Xianshi@lemm.ee 79 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I'm glad they are not rushing a new one out until there is some genuine leap in the tech. I think we have become accustomed to pointless upgrades every year which offer nothing substantial other than lining some shareholders pockets.

In my case the longer they take the better 😊

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[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's good. A Steam Deck 2 might make sense once there's an APU with double the performance at the same 15W.

Current APU's are faster per watt, but only at higher power consumption. This means either the battery life sucks, or the handheld is too heavy and expensive with a giant battery.

The current handhelds by other manufacturers are faster, but only a bit. 120Hz are nice, but I don't even reach 60fps on most titles and it consumes too much power. Games might perform a bit better but everything is still also playable on the SD, so there's no real point in releasing a second generation. All these devices fill the same niche.

What I expect is a refresh of the SD with an OLED display. Maybe even with VRR and HDR, now that SteamOS has support for it. Farther down the wish list are hall effect joysticks.

[–] xep@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I'd like similar things to you as well, which is for the the Deck to get more efficient per watt. On my wishlist:

  1. VRR
  2. better display
  3. lighter and thinner
  4. better airflow / cooler and quieter (but keep the new fan smell)
  5. better battery life without compromising size / heat
    5a. alternatively, make the battery detachable so we can carry multiple around.
[–] Mechaguana@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I want long lasting fan smell as well, i was like a feline on catnip the whole first months

However the size is fine for me, but the battery needs a serious buff

Better screen will impact the battery unfortunately

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[–] Spuddlesv2@lemmy.ca 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

As an Australian, I’m not expecting a Steam Deck at all.

[–] rx8geek@aussie.zone 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If you can deal with the issues of grey import, it's trivially easy to get one here now. I got a 64gb from Kogan, and since I'm rolling the dice with warranty - did a 1tb SSD upgrade myself.

Definitely happy with my purchase it's an awesome machine

[–] Lutz69@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Putting in your own 1TB SSD is so easy I wouldn't even worry about the whole warranty thing. Just follow along with a YouTube video and you're done in 10 minutes.

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[–] Vqhm@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Kogan provides a year warranty tho... so it's not exactly a grey import (like fly by night eBay seller)

I think you might have to cover shipping for repairs tho if you don't have their extended warranty.

I think they have to provide that warranty by law tho

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[–] mitch8128@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Dude, just buy one.. pay the extra money and get one, I did and I cant put it down.. kogan is where I got mine

[–] Dettweiler42@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's still fulfilling its role well. Meanwhile, the Index is getting pretty old compared to current-gen VR headsets. It's still a fantastic headset, but it would be nice to have something smaller, lighter, and wireless.

Bigscreen's Beyond headset should be looked at as something the next wave of VR headsets should strive for.

[–] FreeBooteR69@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think we are getting close to the Deckard being announced, the successor to the Index. Hopefully they do hand controller refresh/redesign, the joystick potentiometer they used in the Index Controllers were dog shit.

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[–] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Good. Two years is too short of a time for a hardware generation.

[–] mitch8128@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

I agree, and tbh everything I throw at my deck, it just handles it, a play things like oxygen not included and modded minecraft, I love my deck

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

good, I'm sick of companies being like "hey here's the new version of insert product that worked in every category here, as such as are not supporting the old device anymore, but don't worry the new version has sparkles on the menus!"

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 20 points 2 years ago

Idc about steam deck 2 because I've already got a steam deck I'm happy with.

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The only thing I wish they had done is an OLED screen.

[–] ilikekeyboards@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I heard they tried to buy some panels from Samsung but they wanted such a huge amount per product that it would've raised the steam decks price way beyond of most consumers product. You can make more money by selling a cheaper product to more people rather than a premium product to a select few.

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[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm not after a Steam Deck v2, but I'd love a v1.1 with Thunderbolt support. I'll buy a Steam Deck the moment it will happily play with an eGPU without a Dremel getting involved.

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Holy shit that would be amazing.

I’d seriously regret buying mine if that came out.

That said, I play mine so much the plastic is getting smooth haha.

[–] flamingarms@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Currently the ROG Ally is the only one of these with eGPU support, right? And it's still only for their proprietary ones?

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I wonder whether, when the faster Steam Deck 2 comes, it may have ditched the x86 architecture altogether and leapt to a high-performance ARM CPU, yielding more power per watt and generating less heat. If so, that would presumably require Proton to be supplemented with a Rosetta-style translation engine that can convert x86 machine code into ARM.

Currently, outside of Apple’s proprietary M/A-series CPUs, there don’t appear to be high-performance ARM CPUs that would fill such a role, though this probably won’t still be the case in a few years.

[–] jherazob@beehaw.org 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'd say while it's possible it's unlikely, remember that they're running PC games, all based on X86, the work needed to make Wine/Proton run all of that well on a different CPU set is significant, and would likely break compatibility in unexpected ways, effectively bringing all the recent wins moot and bringing Proton backwards. Definitely something that will likely happen, but more of a long-term goal (unless it's already in progress and with advances, no idea, but we would all have heard of it already if it was a thing)

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago

With the timeframe this is likely to happen over, it might be RISC-V instead of ARM since that's an open source hardware platform and ARM seems to be joining enshittification trends (starting with worse licensing terms)

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[–] kib48@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

there already is a project for x86 to ARM translation on Linux called box86, and there's another one for x86_64 called box64 havent heard about them in a while but I remember seeing a video of someone playing doom 3 on a raspberry pi with it so it seems very promising

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[–] dlove67@feddit.nl 12 points 2 years ago

Honestly this is a good thing, IMO. If we ever want devs to optimize for a given device, they need to know that it won't be obsolete immediately. Hopefully seeing that Valve isn't rushing to make a new device will give them confidence in that.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

Its fast enough just give me some usb4 so I can use an egpu.

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I'd be happy to have the option to buy the first edition (from Valve and not a grey import with zero warranty) in Australia.

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[–] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My deck is about to reach it's final form and I need a few years out of it. So far I've done

2TB ssd hall effect joysticks Transparent green shell front and back. played around with undervolting/ over clocking replaced screen with anti glare (only because I broke it)

I'm waiting on a beefier heatsink and I'd like to find some cool buttons.

The only other thing left to do would be try the 32GB RAM swap that some madlad did. I'm not really interested in the deck HD screen but could get behind a 800p or 1600p OLED panel.

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[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

Another point is the steamOS is still fairly new and needs to be worked on a lot more, since it isn't even fully utilizing the steamdeck yet, let alone ready for a new one

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Now, Valve’s Pierre-Loup Griffais tells The Verge and CNBC that it could be late 2025 or beyond before it raises that bar — because it wants to see a leap in performance without a significant hit to battery life.

Griffais credits “a targeted optimization effort in the Mesa radv Vulkan driver by our graphics driver team” to support unusual features like ExecuteIndirect, explaining that Valve learned how to optimize a similar GPU-driven rendering pipeline when it added support for Halo Infinite.)

All that said, Valve might totally still have a Steam Deck refresh in the works that doesn’t change the performance floor.

Screen and battery are the top pain points both Griffais and fellow designer Lawrence Yang want to address in a Steam Deck sequel, too, they told me in late 2022.

Or perhaps it just waits, and Valve’s mystery Galileo / Sephiroth turns out to be the long-awaited SteamVR standalone headset.

There’s also a theory that maybe Galileo is a Steam living room PC that can beam graphics to a headset, but Griffais threw some cold water on that idea last week.


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Oh shit son…Deckard could be a standalone VR headset then

[–] kadu@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

All I need from Valve is confirmation a Steam Deck 2 will exist - I don't care how many years in the future that is. I just want to know if this is a "let's quickstart the PC handheld market, here, take this as an example and go nuts" versus "this is now a hardware category we are invested in, we will make new units"

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I’m so happy to hear this. I’m getting a steam deck next week and have been wired that a faster version would be right around the corner.

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