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[–] Asudox@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Is it open source? If no, proton can suck my stroganoff.

Edit: The official subreddit of Proton says that it is a proprietary CAPTCHA system. Great.

[–] 1chemistdown@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Proton has opened sourced everything so far and I would expect them to do that here. They have whole pages written on why they open source everything and why that helps privacy.

[–] Asudox@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's a proprietary CAPTCHA, the sources say.

[–] Razionauta@feddit.it 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Open source and free (as in free speech) are two separate concepts, software can be open source and proprietary

[–] Asudox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Give me the source code then.

[–] Shaul@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago

Stroganoff is quite good if cooked correctly, may I try a taste of it? I'm messing with you

[–] smollittlefrog@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Does it say that both the front end and back end are proprietary, or just the back end? I'd be fine with a closed source back end

[–] Asudox@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Nothing is mentioned other than "proprietary system". Probably meaning that both ends are closed source. I don't see how I can verify whether it respects my privacy or not. I don't see a reason to implement this instead of mCAPTCHA, which is fully FOSS.

[–] dukethorion@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I'd be much happier if they'd finish building Drive to have auto-upload like every. other. cloud. service.

We keep hearing "small team" so why do they keep adding half-done products and services?

[–] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Proton finishing drive would be nice.

In browser file editing is the biggest feature I’m missing from Google Workspace.

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

That can't be done without a massive, massive amount of engineering hours well beyond proton's size. There's a reason only huge software companies like Google or Microsoft are able to offer that.

[–] gonzoknowsdotcom1@monero.town 3 points 2 years ago

it's a half done google in terms of functionality

[–] ono@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Other than making the web tedious to use, my biggest CAPTCHA complaint is that it puts the main providers in a position to monitor everyone's web use. The blog post doesn't address that, but it does say this:

No third-party services

Perhaps they mean it's self-hosted? That would be very welcome. It might require open source code to catch on, since many site owners are uncomfortable running mystery code on our servers. That would be very welcome, too.

Here's hoping it's good.

[–] activ8r@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

since many site owners are uncomfortable running mystery code on our servers

And yet Node.js exists and flourishes.

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What do you mean by that, isn't node open source as well?

[–] 8rhn6t6s@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The joke is a lot of devs import random node modules hahaha

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I wonder if it's really true that this practice is particularly prevalent in JavaScript development or just a false impression caused by it being one of the most, if not the most, used programming language

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

is-odd has entered the chat

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 3 points 2 years ago

is-even has too because it had to be a dependency 💀

[–] ono@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The Node package manager is used in some web applications and has a very trusting distribution model, but it's not particularly relevant to what I wrote (red herring fallacy), and GP's phrasing alone is enough to identify them as a heckler. Please don't feed the trolls.

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 0 points 2 years ago

True that, still, I was genuinely curious

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

New captcha designs should require you to beat a dark souls boss

[–] atreus@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

Next one will be to 100% every Assassins Creed game.

[–] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is amazing. Great to have more alternatives to Google's crap

[–] smollittlefrog@lemdro.id 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No third-party services

Support for alternative routing

(following link)

alternative routing requires us to use third-party infrastructure and networks we do not control

huh

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[–] squid@feddit.uk 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I often won't touch websites with captcha as its used to train ai for google so if I see open source captcha solutions of which I doubt I will see as often as id like as googles strong hold

But proton keep up the good work

[–] smollittlefrog@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

hCaptcha is catching on pretty quickly.

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's still proprietary, so you'll just be feeding someone else's systems no?

[–] smollittlefrog@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm not saying hCaptcha is good. It just shows that new captcha systems can become popular, and that Google's hold isn't as strong as it may seem.

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 1 points 2 years ago

Oh yeah, that's true

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 2 points 2 years ago

Cool! But i still hate Captcha!

[–] FREE_TO_SAIL@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

FUCK ALL CAPTCHA i want to develop a program not to solve captcha but to actually break them then when they go down bypass them some how some way one day i swear i will

[–] Shaul@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Proton is trying to do too many things and can't excel at doing one thing. It's getting too big beyond its capabilities which means services are going to suffer at a lower quality.

If the want blanket trust from users, remove the VPN login to make it anonymous and change the VPN code to remove all anti-features and comply with native F-Droid, other RiseUpVPN is the only choice for everybody to use.

[–] 1chemistdown@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Sure, push a known malware free vpn service while bashing a service that is very well known and respected.

[–] merrick@normalcity.life 10 points 2 years ago

Source for Riseup having known malware?

[–] speck@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have to admit that I don't know enough about any of this to be sure I'm reading in the right way. Is it "known malware, free VPN" or "known malware-free VPN"?

[–] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

It sounds like “known malware-infested VPN that is free”.

[–] Shaul@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago

You found malware in the source code for RiseUpVPN? The source code is publicly accessible, what kind of malware is in it?

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 0 points 2 years ago

It's one of the most transparent services, there's this neat video examining the available free VPNs by Techlore that was coincidentally made very recently: peertube/piped

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