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[–] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Have you ever been in a city? Practically every street has stores that need deliveries. Does every street get a tram track?

[–] Sarie@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think a good use would be to go from an industrial area to another, or to a cargo hub.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

That is apparently what this tram did, although normally heavy rail would fill this role.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Use trams to get goods to neighbourhoods, then distribute from there.

[–] wieson@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Practically every street has stores

Mmh in my experience actually not. Very distinct streets in the centre are shopping streets (with residential on the higher floors). Many neighbourhoods are just residential.

[–] Repelle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Trains to distribution center, pneumatic tubes from distribution center to every home and business.

I want my green steampunk future cities.

[–] GracerGracCRAG@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

https://www.zermatt.ch/en/sustainability/Elektros-Autofrei-Anreise/Zermatt-is-car-free

while you could argue the specialized electric buses and delivery vans are "Cars" they cannot drive on normal roads and do not produce pollution, in terms of emissions or noise, like regular cars. It's more than possible to build a car free city, its been done before.

[–] nei7jc@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe the tracks for the long distance trains should go to warehouse or distributions whatever then cargo bikes would deliver them locally.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Have you ever seen how much stuff your typical courier has in their van?

[–] nxfsi@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The answer should be yes. In fact we should dig up the bicycle lanes to make way for tram tracks.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A tram to every driveway please. I want my own tram

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is actually how americans think transit should work.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I want this globally, I want to drive my tram from Albuquerque to Amsterdam

[–] nei7jc@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Or maybe make deliveries on cargo bikes.

[–] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds like a pretty niche use case, there's not many factories in the middle of cities that have a tram line running to them.

And at 15 tonne per car, 7.5 in the end cars, the payload isn't particularly impressive either.

This also didn't deliver product to the final destination, which is what most urban trucks are doing.

[–] ares35@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

but something like this would get product coming-in from outside a metro area close enough to high-density population and business centers to where smaller EV delivery vehicles or postal services (they already go door-to-door each day) can do the 'last-mile'.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

It really sounds like you're inventing a use case for this technology, to be honest. Most logistics centres are on the outskirts of the city, and linehaul vehicles are loaded and unloaded there, having something like that in the city centre would be a very inefficient use of space.

It also wouldn't reduce the vehicle movements inside the city by much at all.

[–] You999@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago