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[–] Hegar@fedia.io 153 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Immigrants commit crimes at a lower rates than citizens do.

Not only that, but since trump's arrest, the crime rate among presidents is over double the crime rate among immigrants and maybe four times the crime rate of undocumented immigrants.

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why isn't this the top comment?

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] huquad@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you have a source for this? I'd like to present this to others as well.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 8 points 1 month ago

I'm using the well-published stats from Texas: https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

There aren't a lot of good data about this, but that's one of the more detailed that I've found from googling and seen referenced in a lot of articles and papers. It seems to have held up to some right wing scrutiny as well. I'm not an expert, just an interested nerd.

Figure 3 gives ~900 arrests per 100,000 people as the crime rate for official-channels migrants. Close to 1%. Undocumented immigrants come in at ~half that. Presidential arrest rate is 1 per 46, close to 2%.

From my reading there are some legitimate reasons to think the undocumented crime rate may be higher, but also that crime by immigrants may be even lower.

Undocumented people report crimes against themselves at a much lower rate. Because you're more likely to be a target of crime by a member of your own group, this probably means crimes by undocumented people are more likely to target undocumented people and go under-reported.

But the crime rate is judged by arrests, so if Texas law enforcement shows more willingness to arrest migrants than citizens - which seems v. likely to me - then we'd expect these numbers to over-estimate crimes by migrants.

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 112 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Again.

The man has been explicitly mimicking Hitler for months now, and every time the media says "woah, can you belive he went that far?" OF COURSE HE DID, BECAUSE HE DID THE SAME THING YESTERDAY!

[–] BertramDitore@lemm.ee 37 points 1 month ago

Yeah, the first sentence has three separate examples of earlier behavior going back a while, so they’re not trying to say this is anything new. The headline could have been better, as always.

Donald Trump has once again evoked Nazi rhetoric.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 17 points 1 month ago

He was saying this stuff the day he announced in 2016.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 45 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

And so are 30-40% of Americans, who will set about killing the others as soon as they can. Many of the rest are sleepwalking and will suddenly discover their own love for fascism once it gets the upper hand. Once the USA is solidly fascist, other countries will start turning fascist rapidly. Many of them are already on the brink. It's a very frightening time.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I honestly don't think so. I can't imagine Trump giving two shits about immigrants or any other brown people. The racism is what got him on the road to 2016, immigration issues are polling as a concern, he's just going for what works.

Guess I'm saying, to call him a Nazi is to ascribe beliefs to him. The man has no beliefs whatsoever. Remember, he was basically a New York City Democrat until he found he could sell himself better espousing hateful rhetoric.