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Does Trump Have Momentum? (www.natesilver.net)
submitted 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) by WoahWoah@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world
 

Nate Silver's polling tracker now has Trump slightly favored to win (50.2%) the election. While this shift appears small, it has drawn attention because it pushes Trump just past the halfway mark in forecasts for winning the Electoral College.

Silver explains that while Trump’s rise over recent weeks is significant, and his polling model, is designed to minimize overreactions to new data to provide more accurate long-term predictions (i.e., it's likely a "real" effect), this doesn't in any way mean Trump "will" win, and the race remains highly competitive, especially in key states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, which are critical to determining the outcome.

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[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 0 points 37 minutes ago

That 'momentum' is voter apathy starting since Harris moved her campaign to the right to court the ever elusive centrist voters. Imagine the lead if she doubled down on Walz' popular policies instead of Biden's unpopular policies.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 19 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, Trump appears to have momentum, but it also appears to be a phantom momentum driven by right leaning polling organizations.

https://www.hopiumchronicles.com/p/the-hungry-harris-campaign-early?utm_source=publication-search

"I now count 27 Republican or right-aligned entities in the polling averages:

American Greatness, Daily Mail, co/efficent, Cygnal, Echelon, Emerson, Fabrizio, Fox News, Insider Advantage, McLaughlin, Mitchell Communications, Napolitan Institute, Noble Predictive, On Message, Orbital Digital, Public Opinion Strategies, Quantus, Rasmussen, Redfield & Wilton, Remington, RMG, SoCal Data, The Telegraph, Trafalgar, TIPP, Victory Insights, Wall Street Journal.

In September 12 of the 24 polls of North Carolina were conducted by red wave pollsters. Check out the last 4 polls released in PA on 538. All are red wavers."

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 3 points 21 minutes ago

This is part of the plan, to induce doubt. "We couldn't possibly have lost a fair election! We were ahead!"

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Hopefully.

He makes a pretty convincing case for both the idea that "momentum" is kind of meaningless, but also that Trump slowly gaining for the last 30 days is not. Part of what pushed it over the line (Silver is quick to point out that 49.8 and 50.2 is basically meaningless like the difference between a 49th and 50th birthday; we like round numbers) is the Fox News poll.

As he demonstrates, there is no detectable right-wing bias in Fox News polling despite the obvious bias of their news reporting. I can't speak to the others, but I'm not ready to dismiss all polls based on the political identification of the organization, if the polling is of high quality.

My gut tells me Trump is going to pull this out somehow. But, then again, my gut literally has shit for brains.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

My personal opinion is that it's going to be far closer than anyone is really comfortable with.

I mean, look at 2020... BOTH candidates got more votes than any other candidate in history. 74 million people out of 330 million voted for Trump. 22.4% of the entire population went "Yeah, he looks good!"

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

What makes me think Trump will lose again is the issue of women's rights/abortion.

I don’t think the people most affected by that are the ones answering poll questions, so I don't think their thoughts are being fully represented in the polls.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

God I hope so, but Trump's continued support, specifically with white women, the largest demographic, is just BAFFLING to me.

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 51 minutes ago)

I do see some older middle-aged women Trump supporters here, but most of the Trump supporters I see are the guys with the flags on their trucks and stuff.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Hey @jordanlund@lemmy.world, you seem like someone that might have a good perspective on a question I have. While I've always noticed a habit of people to down vote news they don't like on Lemmy, I feel as though there has been a lot more of this occurring in the last, say, two weeks around election news.

Anything that seems to indicate bad news for Harris or is critical of democrats tends to get rapidly buried, often with little engagement. I worry this is symptomatic of a broader denialism on the left/Harris wing, and that it might lead to another election where people are caught by surprise by something that was a very plausible possibility the whole time.

Since you see a lot more posts than I do week in and week out, does that phenomenon seem to be intensifying over the last week or two, or have I just been noticing it more and it's always been happening?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Oh, it's been going on long before now. Negative news about Biden and Biden polling was being buried before, that didn't really stop until his train wreck of a debate performance.

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