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The Hollywood writers strike is over after guild leaders approve contract with studios (apnews.com)

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[–] Norgur@kbin.social 54 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is to anyone who somehow thinks unions are bad. They are not. Structures like in Mafia Cartels are bad (like the police union in the US).

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev -1 points 2 years ago

Counterexample: police unions

[–] Binthinkin@kbin.social 53 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bob Iger got his lunch eaten by saying the strike was going to last until the writers went to the poor house.

Bob and his classless “class” of elite schmucks look like they’re eating shit yet again.

Congratulations writers you deserve it and more!

[–] Scooter411@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

Yeah - fuck Iger.

[–] Scooter411@lemmy.ml 45 points 2 years ago (2 children)

AI was a big sticking point (of course pay too) and it appears the writers gained a lot of ground to protect themselves from AI. So this is great.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Residuals were really important too. It's how writers survive between seasons/gigs.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago

The pay is also incredibly important, because most writers don’t get residuals period. It’s just the pay for the job and that’s it.

[+] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip -8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's inevitable if we're allowed to just be honest though.

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why do creative professions need to be automated? Isn't the point of art and entertainment human expression? Automating creative jobs is missing the point of creativity entirely. Why don't we automate the CEOs and board members who thought this was a good idea? I trust a computer to run a business more than I trust it to make quality artwork

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Art is rarely done for art's sake alone. It can claim supremacy of a person or organization, be used to convince others of an idea, or become a commodity to be sold. Most culturally significant American movies are made with a profit motive in mind.

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

I never said it was necessarily art for arts sake, simply that they're creative endeavors that should be done by humans. It's a human endeavor that loses it's meaning if the creative aspects are automated. And I would argue that's something that should be valued and protected. Be it avengers 900 or high concept indie art house stuff that's only going to be seen by 5 people.

We live in a capitalist system so I feel it's a bit unfair to say that significant films were made with a profit motive in mind. It's the system we live in and many things are made with profit in mind. It's how our society is structured. I'm sure if you asked many of the creative staff on film sets if they'd rather be pursuing their passions in a more "pure" form than doing emoji movie 2 or some other profit driven shitfest they would all say yes. Instead of conceding to capital and putting more money in the pockets of people who have no positive influence on the production of movies, why don't we ask why we're even considering letting computers do creative and artistic work while the rest of us toil in soul sicking jobs that would be better suited to machines?

[+] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip -8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I like how you think every artist is Leonardo DiCaprio in Titanic, and not some coke head deuchebag helping the 1% launder money willingly as long as they get thier cut.

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Some people suck. I think Leonardo DiCaprio is a bit of a piece of shit but that doesn't change the fact that acting, writing, animation, sfx, etc. is a human creative endeavors. It doesn't matter if some of them are coked out douchebags only in it for the money. They're outnumbered by plenty of others that are in it for the craft and artistry and work in spite of shitty movies, under shitty people and in shitty environments for the chance to pursue their passions. The money hungry dipshits would do something else if they couldn't make their money in film. The same can't be said for the majority of people doing the actual work.

I work in the medical field and there's a very similar parallel. I work in medicine because I want to help people, not because I'm well paid. I assure you, I'm not well paid. There are plenty of people in medicine that are though. Sone people get into it for the money. Usually, they don't. The shitty ones move on when the money dries up and the people interested in doing what little bit of good we can do stick around because we don't want to be anywhere else, doing anything else. We shouldn't sell out the bulk of people in a creative field because some of them aren't interested in the creativity.

AI automation would largely effect the peons working on a pittance and not the "coke head douchebags helping the 1% launder money". You're all edge and no point

[–] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If I'm all Edge and no point I guess that makes me very well rounded. I can only pray all of my edges are equidistant to my area centroid 🙏 I don't care for the notion of being parabolic or elliptical in nature for sure.

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If that isn't some "I'm rubber you're glue" level comeback I don't know what is lol. What was your point? Surely your comment about some actors being assholes was more than contrarian garbage and you were working up to something, right?

[–] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago

whatever you say sir cumference

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It is with that attitude.

Profit crushing regulation is the key to a functional society. No slavery, no dumping toxic waste, workers' protections... all choices we've agreed are worth more than money.

We can agree that you aren't allowed to replace someone's livelihood with AI. (My hope is this that we solve the livelihood problem and keep the AI, but that's not what this is about)

[–] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You're thinking with your heart, which isn't going to work for the world. Companies can save money with it so it's inevitable. We need to learn how to make it less damaging. There's no sense spinning our Wheels trying to stop it from happening because we can't.

[–] Whimsical@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You ask me, it's like the great quarantine to try and slow down covid

The idealists were hoping to stamp it out entirely but the reality was that covid was everywhere, and would inevitably become part of life. Quarantining served to make sure hospitals weren't overwhelmed (or rather, weren't MORE overwhelmed) until a vaccine could be made to try and get things under control

In the same vein, it makes sense to me to try and stifle AI stuff hopefully long enough to push for UBI and other social safety nets, so that when the lid comes completely off pandora's box, the damage to people's lives is mitigated and the benefits from the tech can be enjoyed in better conscience

[–] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago

Narrator: but they didn't

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago

Did you not read my comment? Companies could make way more money without regulation; it's a huge (shortsighted) right-wing talking point. But we can and have regulated them to stop abuses for profit. To say there's nothing we can do about the use of AI is like opposing minimum wage at its inception because companies are going to limit their expenses in any way they can and there's nothing we can do to stop them.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’ve only had a little time to glance over it, but the deal itself actually looks pretty rocksolid.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bill Corbett is someone whose opinion I trust:

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

Yeah the residuals and AI concessions alone pretty much made it all worth it.

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Glad a decision could be made.

[–] Otkaz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Now get to writing the next season of The Boys god damnit!