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Librarians in public schools in Charlotte County, Florida, were instructed by the school district superintendent to remove all books with LGBTQ characters or themes from school and classroom libraries. The guidance by Charlotte County Superintendent Mark Vianello and the school board's attorney, Michael McKinley, was obtained by the Florida Freedom to Read Project (FFTRP) through a public records request and shared with Popular Information. FFTRP requested "electronic records of district and school decisions regarding classroom and library materials." In response, FFTRP received a document memorializing a July 24 conversation between Vianello and district librarians, known in Florida as media specialists.

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[–] Kandorr@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is the goal to create places so inhospitable to open minds, that those who possess a shred of empathy flee, creating a conservative gravity well of votes? Is that even sustainable

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

I don't know whether to be appalled or hope that the gravity well becomes large enough it generates an event horizon that no stupidity could cross out of.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

The goal is to create little Republicans.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's half the goal.

The other half is to make areas so hostile that the people who can't flee just keep their heads down and stay closeted so no one hurts them.

And to increase suicides

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

Florida the fascist state.

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don’t forget to throw out the Bible!

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

Uh oh! Ham and woke Noah better not be in any elementary schools teaching kids about drunk gay incestuous nudity.

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Genesis 19:

4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

There’s a whole town of gays in this book!

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[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Please support Foundation 451 and consider donating. It is a Florida teacher-led organization that has already provided thousands of banned books to Florida students and is opening up banned book libraries all over the state.

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[–] febra@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fascism. In 1935 the nazis were burning books. Nowadays they banish them from the public. Same ideology. Fascism always stays the same

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

The Nazis started with books about "sexual deviance", specifically they started with the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft. That's where that one famous picture of them comes from.

They started with gay and trans people, same as here.

[–] Pavidus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

"They don't gotta burn the books they just remove 'em."

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago

The fact that they are not taking out books with heterosexual characters as well shows this is only about bigotry.

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

This is about homophobia not being appropriate or not.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'd take out all the books that have any characters that don't mention their sexuality and say that I'm protecting kids because Huck Finn could be gay.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Any character that isn't actively pursuing someone of the opposite gender is clearly asexual. There is absolutely no other possibility.

[–] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even those in heterosexual relationships could be bi.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

What if they're in a relationship but a little bit or sometimes sad about it? Could be around/ace/gay!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Huck did have quite the close relationship with Jim. Just sayin'.

[–] Travalanche@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Oh, I'm sure they'll be banning Mark Twain soon enough.

[–] BeanGoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago

They'd probably be fine with that. Honestly, they probably wish they could just shut the whole place down; you'd be doing them a favor.

[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

can somebody actually do something about the continually encroaching evil? i feel like you shouldn't be able to demand that

[–] darq@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

Mass organisation would work. Protests and strikes. Not just from LGBT+ people, but from the population broadly. But that seems unlikely, sadly.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

The only person you can rely on to stop them is yourself first, then second everyone else.

Start by killing the Nazi in your own head, to paraphrase a slogan. Then oppose them and find others to oppose them.

Only one thing could have broken our movement — if the adversary had understood its principle and from the first day had smashed, with the most extreme brutality, the nucleus of our new movement.

A paraphrase/translation from Hitler.

Understand them. Do not mistake their intentions. Do not think they only want what they say they want or that they will only use their current methods to get it. They want genocide and they'll use whatever means they think they can get away with to get it.

That means opposing them at every turn everywhere you see them in your own life and encouraging others to do the same

I also think Hitler suffered from a lack of imagination. It's not only crushing their movement that will stop them, though that is vital. In the long term, and we may still be at a moment where we can worry about the long term, building a world that takes their power away is also a solution. Even better is building a world where they couldn't take power to begin with.

Build a world where LGBT people are not an easy target and the fascists will stop having them to be an easy (first) target. Build a world where low grade scam artists like Desantis can't take over a state and it'll make the next Desantis have to do that much more work. (Admittedly that probably does require abandoning our current democracy...)

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[–] Arotrios@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago

Fuck censorship - posted for the kids of Charlotte County.

[–] burntbutterbiscuits@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jesus told me to love my brother 👀

[–] nybble41@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Allegories aside, the Bible definitely has a few LGBTQ characters, even if they're not portrayed in a very positive light. I suppose that means they'll be banning the Bible from school libraries? Not to mention a fair amount of historical literature… including anything featuring Leonardo da Vinci, Florence Nightingale, King James (yes, that King James), William Shakespeare, King Richard I, or Julius Caesar.

It will be interesting to see whether this makes the history classes easier, for lack of material to cover, or harder, for lack of references.

[–] VintageTech@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Isn't Joseph's pronoun in Hebrew she/her? Hence the perfume cart and the shocking response from pharoahs wife once "he" was naked?

[–] wheeldawg@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

And my step brother 👀

[–] Nipplecreek@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Damn. Republicans really are fascist. As if we didn't know already but God damn.

[–] protovack@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"theocrats" would be more specific. fascist is a more generic term.

Theocracy can in theory be democratic and progressive, thus the term "Christofascism" to denote the xenophobic and oppressive nature.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

When is DeSantis holding the book burning?

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine being that afraid of who other people love. The world has never seen such cowardice.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

They're just afraid of love in general. All fascists are. LGBT people just get it worse and (since they're minorities and thus easy to target) first.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Florida has really turned into crap over the past few years. Politically, it wasn't great to begin with, but it has certainly gone south for a while now.

[–] potpotato@artemis.camp 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Elric@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Wow purging lgbtq books in Florida while Ontario is purging any book written before 2008... can we all please stop purging books it never ends well!

[–] formergijoe@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's alright people, we can pretend that portion of the population just simply doesn't exist and all will go back as it was in 1950.

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[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So what happens to the books that get removed?

Trash? Donated to public libraries?

[–] NXTR@artemis.camp 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Something something Celsius 232.8

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wait, was the book title actually localized to Celsius when it was exported? In America the original book is titled Fahrenheit 451, which honestly rolls off the tongue fairly well.

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I think they said it the way they did to make it clear they were talking about the library books burning, rather than referring to the book with that title

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