We've only been saying this for 20 years, what's another 20?
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We've only had a few truly catastrophic wildfires and only 23,000 homes burned down since 2017, let's wait until those numbers come up before we start wasting money on things like "replacing 100 year old infrastructure that was built to last 70." If we replaced every little thing, how would we pay the executives and shareholders?
The Green New Deal was asking for this job. makes zero sense
Record profits for shareholders could have been applied elsewhere, like investing in ourselves and what keeps the gears of society turning.
Don't worry, they will repopulate the earth with their billionaire genius genes once we all die and they return on their rockets and emerge from their sweet underground bunkers.
Of course it is.
We have more energy consuming stuff than ever. But do you ever see NEW substations being built? NEW long range power lines? I don't.
Around here, the utility has a deal- they will sell you a top of the line $400 color touchscreen WiFi thermostat that talks to Alexa and displays the weather report and does a bunch of other shit, for $10 (not a typo). In exchange, you let them remotely shut off your AC if the grid gets overloaded.
Why do they do this? Because a few truckloads of thermostats (with a bulk discount) are a fuckton cheaper than actually upgrading the grid.
And so we hear about grid overload days and possible brownouts and incentives to shut stuff off as if this is the way it's supposed to be. But the reality is these problems only exist because utilities don't keep ahead of necessary upgrades. After all, why spend the money when there's shareholders to answer to?
This is not a remotely accurate assessment of demand side management programs. Such programs are overwhelmingly required of IOUs by states since they tend to be cheaper than infrastructure upgrades for everyone. Utilities on the other hand tend to prefer infrastructure upgrades because they get a guaranteed rate of return typically. You have this completely backwards.
Interesting. Do you have any sources on this or more reading material behind it? I have yet to really see any things suggesting utilities are asking to do CapEx on infrastructure improvements but are being told no.
I think I gave off the wrong impression that these are more linked than they are, sorry. Many states require cost effective EE because it's generally good policy (benefits outweigh costs), and some of those benefits include not having to build new capacity. PUCs generally also support infrastructure investments, and with guaranteed rates of return on most T&D for example, it's a no brainer. So states are often doing both, and there are varying options about the merits of each. To your question though, one notable recent example is the gas pipeline that Gov Cuomo vetoed, which led to more gas efficiency programs in downstate NY.
I'm also embarrassed to report I can't think of a good source for you since I'm in the industry, other than primary sources like utility financial statements, rate cases, state regulations, etc. Hope this was helpful - it's a fascinating industry.
It's not a new idea. They used to do RF transmitters back in the 90s
Texas leads the way.
I'm at this point pretty convinced that the US is like your friend in high school that never changed the oil in his car because it still started and ran, until of course it didn't.
That's actually pretty fucking close.
Nationalise utilities. But the GOP would just attack them when they are in power. Fucken hate the clown show. Maintenance is bad all over this fucking country cause everyone gets so butthurt they can't pinch those pennies into their own accounts. Its fucken maddening I hope the whole bitch falls apart just so I can rub the ashes in their faces.
Even if we exclude Texas?
California tho...
… knows how to party.
I vaguely remember a TV movie from like... 2006 where some kind of solar storm /coronal mass ejection thing happens right as some hacker was trying to "HEY EVERYONE THIS SYSTEM IS VULNERABLE AND YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BEFORE A BAD GUY TAKES CONTROL" type hack of the electrical grid, and the combination of the hack and solar radiation causing most of the US power grid to shut down
I haven't seen anything in real life to convince me the power gris isn't a prince ruperts drop that only works because it's never been shut down all at once before, and once it does that tail shatters and takes the rest with it.
In fact, living near a power substation that supplies a couple major things for a nearby city, I'm convinced the only reason there hasn't been a massive attack against it is because people just assume it's well protected.
I've had 2 multiple day power outages in the Milwaukee area, and 4 or 5 shorter ones over the past few years. It literally never used to happen.
Local outages are a lot different than grid failure. But yeah local power lines are probably needing an update too.
ya think? you know there are countries where blackouts are a rare thing, not a routine occurrence....
34 years old, I've been without power a cumulative of maybe 3 days total my entire life. That includes being hit by many hurricanes including Michael which was a CAT5. You might be exaggerating a bit.
oh great, the only guy in America is here, thanks