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[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 152 points 1 day ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (20 children)

Why is there such an obsession with immigration?

Do you want to pick strawberries? It's back-breaking and sucks.

E: thanks for all the replies. I wrote this while pissed about the results, it was supposed to be rhetorical.

At this point, work on helping immigrant friends and neighbors however you can, whether by helping with immigration paperwork or "other"methodologies.

[–] sepiroth154@feddit.nl 124 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If you need a scapegoat, you pick one that can't defend itself as easy.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Sure, the unborn work for that too.

I just wonder what is so scary about immigrants to people?

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 12 points 20 hours ago

Well they're all lazy criminal welfare queens who are also taking all of our jobs somehow, don't you read the right wing propag- I mean, news?

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

Thinking back to the one debate he had with Harris, Trump blathered nonstop about immigration. He talks about it like a wave of moorish invaders sweeping across the land, pillaging. This is obviously a powerful Image if you can get people to believe it. And in some areas people have been feeling like American culture is giving way to Mexican culture as the population in their home towns shifts, so Trump’s rhetoric taps into something that was already there. And if we’re honest, border policy is a weird zone where many of the laws don’t make intuitive sense. America talks out of both sides of its mouth on the issue, historically. A lot of people are here illegally whom we depend on utterly to staff our economy. So their presence is in some way sanctioned, tolerated, but not fully legitimized in law. When someone comes along and articulates one clear direction on immigration, it sounds like someone is speaking clearly for the first time. Even if that direction is stupid, hateful, xenophobic, and economically unviable.

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[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 20 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

This was what the UK discovered after Brexit

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[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 20 hours ago

The obsession is because that's the news friendly way of answering with "racism".

[–] VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Never liked that argument. It's essentially "Why, don't you like immigration, dummy? Don't you know immigrants are easily exploited to do hard labour cheaply?"

I'm not saying it isn't true, especially in the west, but in my eyes, there are much more moral arguments for immigration.

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[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 1 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Why? Because the right was harping on it. So the news covers it. And then “people are talking about it.” And in 2024, that means everyone has to have an opinion it. The right has perfected the weaponization of communication. Fascists are good at that, historically.

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[–] cabbage@piefed.social 115 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I think we have to accept that the American electorate actually wants fascism.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 10 hours ago

Or Nuclear arsenel. The reason is that it wasn't mentioned at the debates.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 34 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Healthcare: 8%

That explains why americans in America are provided with less(no at all) healthcare than american tourisis in fucking Russia.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 17 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

This is what happens if any foreigner for example breaks bone in Russia:

  1. Emergency, including emergency specialized, medical care is provided to foreign citizens in case of sickness, accident, trauma, poisining and other cases requireing emergency treatment. Such medical treatment provided by state and municipal healthcare organizations is free of charge.
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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago
[–] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 100 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Economy? Ah yes, let's elect the person that wants to put 100% sanctions on literally everything. Masterful gambit sirs. Ya'll can rot in hell!

[–] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 58 points 1 day ago

Also side note, America's economy is held up by cheap immigrant labor, so way to double dunk.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The news says the Republicans are better at [the economy] because they are. How are they better. Because they are better for the economy. Who crashed the economy the last four times it's happened Republicans. They're so good at economy!

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

They're never around for the rebound though. They leave the Democrats to pick up the pieces and the stupid fucks that voted for trump only see that gas was cheaper 5 years ago, so that must mean that trump's economy was better!

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[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 57 points 1 day ago

Also, I love how no one gives a shit about the ecological apocalypse. This is why I kept telling you guys: let the hurricanes destroy everything. No more FEMA. Americans clearly don’t care.

[–] davidgro@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Another thing that's barely on the chart: Foreign Policy, some fraction of which would be the genocide.

It just wasn't the influential issue that much of Lemmy wished it were, and clearly not the reason Harris lost.

[–] squid_slime@lemm.ee 9 points 18 hours ago

Foreign policy isn't important to the workers, doing political work in my local area people will sooner talk about the dog shit sproon around theyre street or litter, the closure of public toilets or the removal of public bins as they all have a noticeable and tangible effect on day to day life. Sadly Gaza isn't a broad issue to none gazans. I'm not advocating for this behaviour btw, just pointing out what I've noticed and spoken about in political circles.

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[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

It's neither "their" problem not one that was manufactured and shoved down throats

Racism less important, immigration more important.. that's interesting..

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 14 points 21 hours ago

Because too many people are selfish and think that things are bad so might as well make them worse.

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