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Sanders and Warren push Democrats to fight for workers and ‘unrig’ economy
(www.theguardian.com)
They could have been doing this the whole time lol.
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Starting 40 years ago. They've been tripping over themselves to throat the Corporate dick for decades.
I just don't get why we're not training and endorsing out the next group with all this press. Sanders and Warren need to back and/or start a coalition of progressive up-and-coming leaders that they can help hone and introduce to the larger political landscape while they have the energy and influence. They need to stop being the only torch bearers and start bringing in underlings. Idc if they follow them around like a posse, might actually be better if they did. I would cuddle with Sanders all night if I could, I'm just tired of his name being the only one catching attention. The will try to bury any movement with him when his time comes, best to get ahead of it so momentum can keep going.
I'm extremely disappointed in sanders for him not trying to prop up some ideological successors. He can't keep going forever.
Warren lost any credibility in 2016. She shattered her legacy as fully as Biden is draggin his own name through a river of shit now.
It's kind of scary to think that this man could literally die any day and there'll be nobody to take his place.
Warren can go fuck herself, She was one of several that backed out of the 2020 race to kneecap Bernie Because he was projected to win the Democrat nomination. People like Warren fucked all of us.
FWIW she actually didn't back out with the moderate candidates before Super Tuesday. She did after splitting the progressive vote between her and Bernie, giving Biden the win.
Form your own party. Dump the useless liberals. Reconstitute the SPA and team up with the unions.
"Form your own party. "
Good luck with getting ballot access.
But no need to start from scratch - here's a list of political parties in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States
Do a hostile takeover of the GOP instead. Many states don't care why party you register as, and if they do just register as a Republican and vote in their primaries. Pick a socialist candidate and get them to run as a Republican, and vote for them. This is in essence what Trump did, but of course he did it for fascism and got Nazis to vote Republican. The same strategy can work for anyone else. This can start in safe blue states where no one votes in the GOP primaries and spread from there.
This is a far more realistic strategy because third parties are vulnerable to the spoiler effect and will always fail due to people being worried about electing Republicans.
Thats more of a step 2 or 3. Step 1 is that everybody needs to start putting pressure on the DNC and make sure they understand that we’re not going to take it anymore. And I’m not referring to that bullshit “not voting” rhetoric, because not voting is tantamount to voting republican.
Once the DNC is forced to listen to us plebs again, then it’ll be a good time to look at breaking out into more parties. But we need to put the fear of whomever they pray to in them first.
That's what they did this election, and we got fascism and the DNC doesn't matter anymore. So now what?
Why don’t we simply kill the DNC instead. And the RNC. Seems easier that way. And no I don’t mean mentally.
Yeah, because that ever works.
The dnc is never going to listen to the plebs because they only answer the money, and we don't have it. As long as people keep participating in their game of electoral politics, nothing will change. Let them lose several elections in a row, and maybe they'll see the light or fade off into obscurity, which is the preferred method.
Doubt we have two or three elections left in us.
Look, I’m right there with you and this defeatist feeling. You and me by ourselves can’t do shit. But guess what? There’s millions of us. And for decades it’s been beaten into our heads that we are powerless; that we are nothing because we are not rich.
There was a time where there was a group of people who were treated far worse than we’re being treated now. They had so much less than us, and got treated so much worse than us. Yet somehow, they fought back. And while they’re still fighting, they’ve made huge inroads with the status quo that it’s left its mark for the rest of time.
If they can do that, then the least we can do is scare the shit out of a bunch of idjits at the DNC.
The reality of American political process is that it takes at least a billion dollars to run a Presidential campaign. (Thanks, SCOTUS) That kind of money doesn't come from unions, social activists, or proletariat donors. It comes from corporations and billionaires, and those people don't like revolution.
Until someone can demonstrate that you can get more votes with progressive, worker-friendly policy proposals than with a well funded propaganda machine, the DNC is going to keep chasing the less conservative billionaires. And no third party will even be relevant.
Idk, Harris vastly outraised Trump (over $1B in 3 months) and it... didn't move the needle.
Progressives need to distill their ideas down into smart, easily repeated ideas (Billionaire bad, union good) that can spread via social media, aren't inflammatory (defund the police, etc), and aren't based on fear and loathing but rather a message of hope.
Money doesn't win the election, it's more of an entrance fee, and campaign financing is more complicated than just 'the campaign.' You have to account for PACs, party, and all the free messaging from sympathetic media outlets. Bernie pinned his hopes on going viral on social media, and mostly demonstrated that it's not a viable strategy, at least at the Presidential level. Might work OK for smaller races, like AOC, in a geographically small, relatively young district, but not nationally. Most people actively avoid political messaging, which is a fundamental problem if you plan to rely on organic distribution of a political message through social media. Especially social media controlled by billionaires that might be hostile to messages like 'billionaires bad, unions good.'
We certainly agree on the broad strokes. I think part of the allure of the MAGA messaging was that it was often shared by a highly approachable racist that people were already comfortable with, so the political bits could just sorta be sprinkled in as needed alongside other ideas that people already agreed with.
The thing is, a message that’s simple, resonates, and allows people to blame others will always win out over a message calling people to pull their own weight and do the complicated but correct things.
You know you can do more than pressure them, right? You can get involved with your state party, which in turn elects the leaders of the national party. You can vote in the primaries and kick out corporate Dems. We know this works because it's precisely how the fascists took over the Republican party.
If they really cared about "country over party" they'd vehemently support ranked choice voting at all levels of government and an end to gerrymandering. Even though the Democrats aren't really extremists our political system will continue to prop up extreme views if everything is identity politics and there are only two you can choose from.
Step 1 is already done, and now institutional resistance from inside the party is the problem. So it is in fact time for step 2, there’s enough of a body of voters to start building it.
The trick is that to subsume the DNC in the next ten years or so, the party has to form a coalition with it for now while remaining separate. That could achieve two goals: first, put a lot of pressure on Republicans they aren’t ready for. Next, create a strong leftward tension that just isn’t represented right now and which the Democrats will be walled off from controlling.
It’s sort of what happened with the Tea Party / MAGA.
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Good on Warren for saying this. I think that the attacks on Warren for staying in the 2020 primary were really overboard. She would have been a great candidate 🥲
Warren, along with the other candidates, colluded with the DNC to drop out en masse in favor of Biden. She, unlike Bernie, is a DNC card-carrying member who, despite her positive work and Progressive stance on Wall Street, played along with the machinations of the Democratic party. They ignored the will of the people.
If she had endorsed Sanders instead of accusing him of lying (second link), we might have had a different outcome. Moreover, Hillary implied he was sexist - a laughable accusation.
Warren lacked the convictions she needed when the time was right.
Holy shit, you just mind blasted me with a memory I had lost. That whole shit show between Bernie and Warren during a debate where she acted all fluffed and pissed off because Bernie was apparently somekind of sexist?! or at least the media and her team tried to play it that way but it completely backfired if I remember right.
Yeah, that was the gist of it.
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She should have gotten the fuck out before super Tuesday.
Or ran in 2016 like Bernie asked her to do. But she sat it out because she wanted Clinton to run.
Too little too late.
Sanders has been trying this entire time. It's not his fault the DNC won't listen to him.
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