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I wonder if it's just a bit of an overreaction to draw conclusions about the Democratic Party when the difference between Kamala and donvict is < 2%, the Democrats ran a VP after Biden dropped out very late in the election cycle without any primary, incumbents the world over are getting voted out, the candidate was a woman in a nation full of misogyny, AND people have this perception about inflation (that is mostly wrong).
Anyone going to factor that in at all?
Democrats also put themselves in a position where the only choice was a vp candidate who was the least popular candidate 4 years ago and only became VP because Biden promised a woman of color.
Say it casually how Biden dropped out very late in the election cycle. He just decided to drop out. Not like the party forced him to drop out or anything. Got some wolves in the party it seems.
The fact that the difference between Kamala and convict was so small is enough grounds by itself imo
How do you construct a worker's party in a country where corporate bribery has been made legal and there is a class of billionaires ready and eager to squash any legitimate improvement to worker's living conditions with their nearly unlimited power/capital? They literally own the means of state and media propaganda, and the means of state violence to protect our beloved economy from the society that exists in subservient subsistence to it.
I vote blue out of harm reduction, but there's no escape in the US without necessary complete governmental and economic collapse. It is too well corrupted into protecting capital over people. I think in the desire for perpetual stability for the sake of commerce/profit, something vital was simply discarded in the modern nation state model:
The renewal that can only come from the collapse of the past.
No shit?!
The writing was on the wall when they ignored voters moving towards the Democratic Socialist. The money was more important.
Populism is relatively easy, even when that populist is a fascist.
You can reconstruct the Democrat party all you want. It won't make stupid Americans smart. They'll still fall for whoever is best at peddling misinformation, fear, and hate.
The internet and media in general has been weaponized. So unless we're talking about the Democrat party learning how to go low and spread extreme misinformation and paranoia in order to win an election, then we're just wasting our time talking.
So unless we’re talking about the Democrat party learning how to go low and spread extreme misinformation and paranoia in order to win an election
And even if they did decide to do this? How are they going to counter the massive disinformation networks the qons the qon-adjacent run? I mean, WashPo, NYT, CNN, MSNBC - all run by the corporate-friendly that will kneecap Democrats to get goodies handed out to them. Then there is Facebook, Xitter, Youtube - all skewed to the qons. And that's not even getting into local news being completely fucked (Sinclair), outlets like Faux and OAN, along with hate radio, and then the broverse on podcasts, YT channels...
The Democratic Party and/or the progressives have nothing even anywhere close to the coordinated and well-funded campaign the qons have...
Dems didn't "lose" the working class. Misinformation overshadowed the message.
There's a lot the Dems can do for unions and working-class normal folks. But Kamala could have cured cancer with a touch and they wouldn't have believed it because everything else they consume downplays the improving economy, security and stability under Biden so it was ultimately useless.
Buckets of roubles on Facebook and X won this election.
The Dems began bleeding the working class after Carter.
The problem is that - outside of Obama in 2008 (who campaigned as left of Clinton), and Sanders in 2016 and 2020 - there have been almost ZERO efforts to court the increasingly jaded and apathetic working class voters who have to work harder and harder every cycle only to be disappointed by the candidate they believed in not following through with decreasingly attractive policy proposals.
Again, she wasn’t TERRIBLE, and no matter how disconnected she was, she would have been > than 🍊… but her team had her trotting out LIZ CHENEY over allowing a Palestinian to speak on stage at the DNC.
This idea that there was NOTHING she could have done to win over the small percentage of apathetic voters to push her over the edge is simply not true.
The enthusiasm from the Democratic base disappeared shortly after the campaign backed off the sort of initial good decisions they started off with (like choosing Walz and letting him call Rs weird).
…And then the overpaid completely disconnected party consultants just kept pushing her to move all the way to the right as much as she possibly could under the delusion that THIS time (like Clinton tried) we could get the R cultists to come out and vote for her… I mean they had a literal billionaire Mark Cuban excited for their candidacy.
Yup.
Everyone's crying about the Democrat party, but they're ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE better than the Republican party. Seriously, people need to stop whining and compare both party's voting history and accomplishments. It's not even a contest. Democrats get more done.
The bottom line is the majority of Americans aren't intelligent enough to navigate this new age of weaponized misinformation. That isn't Democrat's fault. All they can really do is try to weaponize misinformation to combat Republican's misinformation. And that's morally wrong. Probably the only way though.
Stupid populace. Dark future.
Everyone’s crying about the Democrat party
Also, please, for the love of $DEITY, don't call them this. There is no such thing as the Democrat party. This is an epithet from the right.
the party is hopelesslty corrupted and wont even acknowledge why they lost. Its time to dump the dems and build up a progressive party.
That would be after FPTP voting is replaced with RCV or STAR in all 50 states. Trying a third party before those steps will hand the federal government to the GOP for the remainder of my life.
Absolutely this.
How many times are we gonna be Charlie Brown trying to kick the football before Lucy pulls the ball away?
This party isn't here for us. They do not represent our best interests. They simply care about the ruling class/ultra wealthy.
They have purposely not followed through on their campaign promises so many times. Time to dump them.
DNC isn't getting my vote anymore. Time for a new party.
That's all well and good, if you want to lose elections for the foreseeable future.
Because it takes a long, long time to build up a new party and have it actually win federal elections.
By then we won't have elections anymore.
We've had several elections in recent memory where it's been really clear that progressive Democrats win elections compared to centrists (mostly midterm elections but still). Somehow that lesson hasn't stuck, and I wouldn't be surprised if Harris' defeat also doesn't teach this lesson. At this point the old guard really just needs to die.
People want change, GOP is offering it and people are eating it up. They just have no idea how incredibly stupid that version of change is.
They just have no idea how incredibly stupid that version of change is.
Yeah, when they find out that things like vaccines might be up for grabs they might be in for a real ride.
The fact that it is even a POSSIBILITY is sheer insanity. If donvict had excess deaths during Covid [1], letting a dumbfuck loser like brainworms ban them would kill even more. This time it'd be kids as well as the very old, most likely. Needless, excess death.
And that's just the start on this loser's notion of "change" that we might get...
[1] A bit of a joke. The policy failures of donvict killed nearly half a million Americans.
Seriously. I don't care that much about fluoride in the water being removed for four years, but I'm quite grateful that my youngest is getting the last of his vaccines before January. Hopefully it just ends up a "states rights" thing. Still sucks for herd immunity but at least I'll still be able to keep my family vaccinated.
Still sucks for herd immunity but at least I’ll still be able to keep my family vaccinated.
I suppose. Some states are already in a bad way, like PA: https://www.altoonamirror.com/news/local-news/2024/09/pa-vaccine-exemptions-raises-fear-of-outbreak/
Having a dipshit like RFK being validated, nevermind actually setting policy, is going to set this nation even further backwards.
Indeed. Lending any legitimacy to his conspiracy theories is a bad thing. True of Trump and Musk as well, as with any of that clown car.
How would that even work? They are doing exactly what their ~~owners~~ donors want.
Are they saying that rich people should want unions or that there needs to be other ways to fund politics?
I'm all for it. The Democrats have been a joke since they fucked Bernie. They're terrible and don't give a shit about their voters.
Oh, they were a joke long before that. In 2006, when we went from having a congress that rubber stamped everything Bush wanted to a congress that said they were displeased with Bush as they rubber stamped everything he wanted.
Reconstruct?
Raize it with impunity and forge something actually good
Start by investigating musks money for votes scheme