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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

LFP is not new. It's been in cars since Fisker integrated A123's batteries. CATL and other manufacturers have been churning out LFP in volume for over a decade now.

[–] Acters@lemmy.world 1 points 5 minutes ago* (last edited 3 minutes ago)

You do realize a decade is a very short time for something at a scale this large with complex interactions that needs to be reliable, efficient and reproducible at scale. Plus long term tests take time because it is a factor to many clients to see if they can handle at least a decade.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 13 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

So the cars will become cheaper right? Right?

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 56 minutes ago

I understand that was meant as sarcasm, but actually they have become cheaper, in the way that new cheap EV models are arriving with much better range than previous cheap models.

[–] cordlesslamp6891@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

Who said it’s cheaper for YOU?

[–] moseschrute@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

The savings arrived just in time to counteract the Trump Elon 100% EV tariff. So the cars will just stay the same price

[–] solrize@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It's just about LFP which are very common now. The new trend is sodium ion instead of lithium ion. CATL (battery manufacturer in China) is shipping those now, and they are starting to appear in some cars.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

How's the density compared to LFP?

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

I believe it's notable worse. The focus seems to be more on industrial use cases with stationary batteries.

[–] solrize@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I think somewhat worse, but try a web search. One attraction iirc is very fast charging.

[–] schizoidman@lemm.ee 4 points 9 hours ago

lFP batteries are not new. The BYD E6 had them since 2009

[–] etchinghillside@reddthat.com 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Surely the savings will be passed to the consumers…

[–] Acters@lemmy.world 1 points 1 minute ago

No the customers(ie the manufacturers) will get the savings. Consumers get to pay the same amount while being harvested as much data as possible