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You can’t get rid of it, you can only hide it: Microsoft imposes controversial Windows Backup on users::Like it or not, the Windows Backup app installed in Windows 10 and Windows 11 is here to stay, with Microsoft calling it a "system component" that can't be

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[–] spez@sh.itjust.works 101 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yup, that ai generated image kills me more than the news.

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[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 80 points 2 years ago (4 children)
[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

Tbf that's my favourite kind of AI generated person

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[–] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 77 points 2 years ago (21 children)

coming soon: Monthly subscription to use windows with the justification that it uses an online service in order to work

[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 15 points 2 years ago

"Embrace Extend Extinguish"

[–] georgette@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I can't wait for the eventual warning pop-ups and emails, warning me that my onedrive is almost full (70%)

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[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Honestly I hope, would be a big boom for Linux which I already use

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 2 years ago

This year is the year of Linux, just like every year before it.

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[–] techognito@lemmy.world 63 points 2 years ago

For those of you who are now worried about you win10 or 11 install:

  1. This is only for those using MSA account with windows 10 or 11
  2. You cannot uninstall the backup tool, but you can disable taking backups
    1. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/back-up-your-windows-pc-87a81f8a-78fa-456e-b521-ac0560e32338

Lastly, this article had 0 sources and was misleading

[–] Moc@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Reason #2720183 to use Linux.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Imagine how much better the computing landscape would be today if we actually prevented MS from doing anticompetitive and often straight-up illegal stuff in the 90s to gain their monopoly

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[–] pirrrrrrrr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 2 years ago

Holy shit. Just not "no" when it asks if you want to set up backup, and keep using what you already use.

It's less difficult than falling over.

[–] dosse91@lemmy.trippy.pizza 39 points 2 years ago (7 children)

It's always sad to see users being mistreated like this but what never ceases to amuse me is the amount of time that Windows users are willing to waste in order to remove all this trash from their systems and have a usable experience, only for it to be ruined again with something worse with the next update. At this point, they either don't know that alternatives exist or they have Stockhom syndrome or something.

I used to do that A LOT and you can still find all my old guides on my website as a testament to that, they were soooo long, it took hours to do a "clean install", they took days to write, and even then I would run into so many issues because of Windows Update... One day I realized that I was doing more work to make Windows usable than the average Arch user and I just gave up. Linux wasn't ready for gaming yet so I had to dual boot for a while, but thankfully that's not a problem anymore. I couldn't be happier.

[–] dm_me_your_feet@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I just have migrated to using an untrusted Windows Gaming PC exclusively for that and Debian for everything else. Go ahead, harvest my wasted hours on steam and chat trashtalk, idgaf.

[–] NAXLAB@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm aware of all of this, but most of the software I use is Windows only. Recommending GIMP/whatever seems like enough to a proud Linux user, but it really just doesn't cut it. I'm savvy enough to get rid of all the stuff I hate about windows or switch to Linux, but I'm comfortable enough to stay with wondoes

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[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

MacOS has had time machine for over a decade.

How is this different except for the fact it's not our Lord and Savior Linux?

[–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't remember Time Machine backing up to someone else's server.

[–] TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

iCloud does, and if memory serves you can't remove that either. But like iCloud, you can simply not sign in.

[–] gestalt@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

You can always finely control what goes into iCloud and what does not.

Time Machine backups have to be opted-in if you want to save it to iCloud.

[–] geogle@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You have to enable iCloud to upload to it. I've been uploading to local encrypted disks for years

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[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Use local accounts only and do not login to a Microsoft account.

Edit: In my situation, I used an MS account during a reinstall and disabled backups and logged out quickly after. There are methods to still do an offline install, from what I understand.

Disabling backup is annoying, but not hard.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is that possible on Windows 11?

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Yes. I had to do that on my latest reinstall. I had to create a local account after the install and log out of my MS account. It really tried to force backups, which is super annoying.

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[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)
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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (5 children)

As a non windows user, can someone explain to be what all the fuss is about? It sounds like people are grumpy that they’re being shown a feature that they can’t use or don’t want to use, and MS is going to let people hide the UI for that.

What is wrong with this solution? Are people not going to be happy until every spec of the feature’s code is stripped from the OS?

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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[–] xuniL@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 years ago (7 children)

The thing is, if you can't uninstall it, then Windows will repeatedly try to shove the feature into your face, until you enable it again

[–] pirrrrrrrr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I got a pop-up that said:
"Hey we have backup to OneDrive now! Do you want to turn it on?". [Yes/no/don't ask again]

[–] RadialMonster@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My options were remind me in 1 week, or remind me in 30 days

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[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think you’ll find a number of… specific OS users, let’s call them, who will tout that they can uninstall anything from their OS without complaint or warning. Same response as being unable to completely uninstall internet explorer back in the day.

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[–] my_hat_stinks@programming.dev 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It sounds like people are grumpy that they’re being shown a feature that they can’t use or don’t want to use,

That's the problem right there. They're trying to sell you a new feature. That's an ad. Ads have no place in an operating system.

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[–] SeeJayEmm@lemmy.procrastinati.org 20 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Who cares? Windows has included a backup app of some sort since NT. The only way this is more than click bait would be if they were forcing you to use it.

[–] wooki@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 2 years ago (10 children)

It’s nothing like the old backup apps. They were useful this is more forced cloud spyware which at this point is the entire OS now

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

So? Sure you can't get rid of it but also you don't have to use it.

Despite what this article is trying to imply you're not actually forced to do any backups, so Microsoft are not seeing your information. Also it's probably be encrypted anyway, but who knows.

You don't have to use it, so this entire article is basically a big while load of nothing.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Why should I waste hard drive space that I paid for to store a component that I neither require nor utilize? If I'm already on a machine that is pretty close to my drive limitations (and I am), why should I simply accept further reduction in my computer's capabilities?

This was the same argument Microsoft made about Internet Explorer during the antitrust lawsuit. Yet somehow, when faced with the possibility of a forced split, they managed to find a way.

[–] vector_zero@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Realistically, you're probably not utilizing a good 90% of your operating system's features on Windows. Is this backup crap good? No, but it's also a drop in a bucket.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 years ago

You got to love all the ads that are now a part of windows

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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