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"Concerns over DNS Blocking" by Vinton Cerf

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[–] MrMonkey@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

PiHole with upstream dns-over-tls or dns-over-https.

Anybody who wants to can get around DNS blocks. Sure it'll stop Aunt Sally, but anyone who cares will get around it. It's a really dumb way of doing things.

[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 4 points 1 year ago

Well our government likes doing dumb things. That is kind of their platform lately.

[–] Brkdncr@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s trivial for me to detect and block dns over https with modern firewalls.

[–] MrMonkey@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How? I don't see what could find dns-over-https in the middle of other https traffic?

[–] Brkdncr@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

there is a lot more to modern firewall app detection than ports. My Palo Alto has a specific category to detect and block dns over https.

[–] ghjones@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Even Palo Alto notes that they can only effectively block DoH if you're MITMing all https traffic already (e.g. using a root certificate on corporate-managed devices). If not able to MITM the connection, it will still try to block popular DoH providers, though.

https://live.paloaltonetworks.com/t5/blogs/protecting-organizations-in-a-world-of-doh-and-dot/ba-p/313171

[–] dap@lemmy.onlylans.io 8 points 1 year ago

I'm out of the loop, what is France trying to do with regard to DNS?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 year ago

As much as I dislike wasteful cryptography, this seems like an really good use case for cryptographically signed and owned names. Kind of like ENS domain names.

That way no single third party you can remove you from the internet effectively