They weren't relying on the lowest bidder?
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You made me literally laugh out loud.
Lowest bidder meant different things back then (citation needed)
Also don't forget about survivorship bias. We don't know how many percent of their buildings are still standing. Probably only the really really good build ones. Also never forget, any idiot can build a bridge that stands. It takes an engineer to built one that barely stands. And that is often what we are doing today. Making our stuff "good enough" as otherwise it wouldn't be economic feasible in the short or midterm. I am still curious how good it would be if we would instead aim for the long-term though..
More ancient buildings have fallen than are standing I'd imagine but I don't agree that just anyone can built a bridge. I'm not an engineer so I feel really inadequate making an opinion though. I agree 100% it would be very interesting to see how building practices would change if the goal were to construct buildings for longevity. There are lots of considerations though: weather, earthquakes, natural disasters, etc.
Another user posted a practical engineering video that I hadn't seen yet and I heard your exact phrase about anyone building a bridge that stands so mea culpa i didn't know any better.
Hey, no need to apologize for anything 🙃 yeah, that phrase is a quote ire st least kind of a meme.
I try to own up to my mistakes.
Isn’t the big hint that they were built without a reliance on concrete. And are pyramids?
This just in, big blocks of stone are durable!
Just for clarification are you saying the Romans didn't build with a reliance on concrete?
No. The idea that there was some sort of perfection going on with the Egyptian pyramids is nonsense. Here is the Great Pyramid up close.
They used bulk concrete and well fitted stone. Bulk concrete doesn't really decay but is hard to build with, so we typically reinforce it with rebar. Rebar makes concrete much stronger and less brittle, but it also corrodes, and when the rebar fails, so does the reinforced concrete.
We could build things like the Romans did, but it would be more limited and expensive.
This exactly. No penny pinching and not going the easy route. Also majority of their buildings is not standing. Only expensive things are.
Also, it just takes a lot more mass to produce a structure out of bulk concrete, and you can't build something like a high rise out of it.
There's new developments in concrete reinforcement which have the potential to replace rebar and last longer, but they're very new
It seems like we build with a 50 to 100 year lifespan in mind. If I'm wrong please correct me. I wish some of our infrastructure, bridges especially, could be built with a long lifespan in mind.
It's an inherent problem with reinforced concrete. We couldn't build the same structures without it, and it only lasts so long.
I thought they figured this out already, and it was a combination of the lime chunks allowing the concrete to heal, and also mixing it hot somehow made a difference.
I've heard lots of reasons. One was that the Romans used volcanic ash, which has some kind of special structure that maked it durable. I've also heard that it had to do with using salt water. Obviously not using rebar is important to longevity. The article talks about the lime chunks in the Roman section. I'm kind of a sucker for any article about Roman history though.
Well then, eat your heart out!
I read a good chunk of that and I'm not going to lie the chemistry part went right over my head. My new favorite phrase is "post-pozzolanic reactivity."
This guy has an interesting video on the topic. https://youtu.be/qL0BB2PRY7k
I love practical engineering. I've watched other videos in that series but I never saw this one. Thanks!
I thought that many roman structures were built with space for wooden structures in between or incorporated into, but of course those bits are gone. Lot to be said for how people stealing stone from these structures would have also kept them sound, for safety's sake, and been basically stewards for them. What blows my mind is the few cedar beams in the pyramids that are still present. Yeah, the way we build and use our environment is shit, unsustainable, and requires an unbelievable amount of oversight and maintenance.