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Summary

Democratic strategist Chai Komanduri claims Elon Musk has “taken over” MAGA and the Republican Party, likening it to how Trump originally took control of the GOP.

Musk, a former Biden supporter, shifted to Republicans over disagreements on free speech, immigration, and public health.

Now a close Trump ally, Musk has donated $75 million to pro-Trump groups and will co-lead the “Department of Government Efficiency” to reduce government waste.

His rising influence in GOP politics is seen as positioning him as a potential MAGA successor.

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 184 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

Don't worry everyone, i've worked for rich guys and I can assure you that two rich people are absolutely incapable of working together for more than a few months.

Trump and Musk are going to turn on one another, it's only a matter of time

[–] bruhbeans@lemmy.ml 125 points 3 weeks ago

Trump getting Musk deported would be insanely funny

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 39 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

hopefully they just bitch slap each other for four years and nothing of consequence actually gets implemented.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

Nah, if Musk pisses off Trump he loses hard and fast. Trump could easily get away with making it an official act to strip Musk of all his wealth and instead of turning it over to the state, turn it over to the GOP. Use the guise that it is not communist because they are turning it over to a private company, not the government and it was all done for security reasons after Musk commited treason in dealings with Putin.

The GOP controls the house and Senate, so they wouldn't vote for impeachment, it checks the boxes for being pro capitalism, and anti Russia. And they make buckets off of him. The penalty they set for his Treason, execution. To show they are hard on crime and believe in the death penalty.

Doubt they would even need to fabricate any evidence, it is already there.

[–] jrs100000@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

No expropriation necessary. All hes got to do is knock out Tesla's subsidies and SpaceX's government contracts...maybe have the DOT and FAA take a reeaaal close look at their safety records just to put the final nail in their coffins. Trump is petty though, my bingo card say he also threatens to strip him of his citizenship and have him deported before this is all over.

[–] shuzuko@midwest.social 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The day he deports musk will be the only day I ever wholeheartedly support something cheeto mussolini does.

[–] jrs100000@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I doubt he would actually be able to do it. Even if he had a solid case, Musk has the money to drag this through the courts until long after Trump is gone. However, Im pretty sure hell make a big show of the threat when they inevitably have their falling out.

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[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

IMHO this is just hopium.

There's no indication that they will not work together since they need each other for their own separate selfish reasons.

They will use each other as long as goals have not been met.

When those goals are met then they will have a falling out. And at that point it's too late for the rest of us.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Also both clearly report to Putin, so likely he told them to work together. And each of them is getting something out of it (for Musk, I assume nobody will look more deeply into his companies anymore, which are known to break all manner of regulations).

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

This is my dearest hope. Two narcissists fighting over the limelight.

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[–] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 101 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Now blow it the fuck up like you did Xitter and lose all your money in the process please thanks

[–] towerful@programming.dev 28 points 3 weeks ago

Politics and corruption is much cheaper than buying out an established & popular company

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He's too wealthy to fail. He already has more money than he had before buying Twitter.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Guillotines.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 50 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

If only he remembered that he used to care about climate change. Or at least pretended to.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I have a thought that perhaps he's done the meth, realized how far off the mars goals are, looked at the state of climate and how far gone it is regardless of intervention and decided to hell with all of it.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 83 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

he’s done the meth

A super accurate typo.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Ketamine bruh.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

That's something I don't get. The amount of work and change required to make Mars livable for humans is insane and we still don't even know if it is possible. The amount of change required to fix our planet's climate is minuscule in comparison. They want to terraform a planet that is completely hostile to human life and yet we can't even get our own planet's average temperature down by 1 degree.

[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago

Musk is the type of guy who thinks the key roadblock in any problem is that he isn't in charge. It's harder to be in charge of Earth than it is to be in charge of Mars.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 11 points 3 weeks ago

Coca-Cola's mission statement is 'to refresh the world'.

That sounds a lot nicer than their actual mission 'to make as much money as possible selling sugar water'.

Colonizing Mars is not his intention, it's just a cool sounding thing that he pretends he wants to do for social clout. He's interested making money and being popular, that's the extent of it all.

[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

If they were serious about mars then they should be building very large scale very long term habitats deep in the ocean. It’s a lot closer than Mars so if something goes wrong they can improve the design faster. A trip to mars is expected to take nearly 2 years!

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 5 points 3 weeks ago

To be fair, you dont actually have to terraform a planet to colonize it, theres nothing physics defying with having a civilization of people living in airtight buildings with controlled climate inside indefinitely. It still isnt a solution to climate change for any number of obvious reasons, but I dont know that anyone that seriously wants to see a mars colony start in their lifetime actually intends to terraform the place first. Terraforming gets thrown around casually in science fiction, but to actually reshape the entire surface and climate of a planet that way, even if we had the requisite technology and infrastructure right now, would be a process that would probably take millennia at best and be incredibly destructive to any infrastructure existing on the surface during that time. If you want to build a mars colony now, rather than at some point where we're ancient history after human civilization has finished what would be to them the largest and longest construction project ever, then you pretty much have to accept Mars's climate conditions for what they are and build around them rather than try to change them.

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[–] takeda@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

He made everyone think he did, what he cares about were the government subsidies.

BTW: I still see bots on various social networks promote him as some kind of genius, a lot of us got fooled.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 47 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

I hate it when journalists do someone's propaganda work for them. Musk could [not] care less about the issues. He thinks he can get more money out of a Trump presidency. Maybe some power too. Using his infrastructure and wealth to boost GOP issues was just his buy-in.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I dunno. I am sure musk thinks all of his ideas are amazing, just like trump. I am not sure it is about getting more money, just about enabling him to make his "amazing" ideas happen. The money enables that, but I think he has reached the point where money isn't whats blocking him. And power... trump wants it because it makes him feel important. Musk I think wants power to simply be able to do whatever he wants to make his ideas happen. Of course his mental state has been shifting. He could have developed a taste for more wealth and power or something. But I am still betting not.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Either way. It's definitely not about free speech and immigration.

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[–] ellen_musk_0x@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)
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[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Musk, a former Biden supporter, shifted to Republicans over disagreements on free speech, immigration, and public health.

Let's be honest here, if Biden/the Dems weren't so vocal about taxing the rich he'd never have switched. The freeze peach stuff was just a convenient excuse

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago

I think it's more like he felt like Republicans were more likely to punish his child for daring to be themselves and Grimes for daring to leave him. He's got big divorced-guy vibes.

[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Nah, fuck no. Sure, he'd been self-radicalizing for a while but Musk declared his change of allegiance literally hours after the story broke about him propositioning a SpaceX employee to join the Mile High club with him in exchange for a horse. He saw the #metoo train coming for him and decided to throw in with the guys who see that shit as a badge of honor, simple as.

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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 26 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Elon is marking Trump, meanwhile Peter Thiel has his hand up JD Vance's ass. One way or another their agenda will get through.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly. They're just waiting for Donnieboy to keel over, then their sockpuppet JD Couchfucker will do whatever they want.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago

Founders of PayPal now running the free fucking world.

How do I get off this timeline?

[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Which is funny because Thiel and Musk don't like each other very much

[–] renrenPDX@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just start referring to him as president musk. That’ll go over well with trump.

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[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He is not a “Trump ally”, he is a trump puppeteer, paying for the government that suits him and makes him more money.

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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thankfully Elon will never be a MAGA successor, and is ineligible to run for president. Let’s deport this felon immigrant back to where he came from.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Thankfully Elon will never be a MAGA successor, and is ineligible to run for president.

You're also ineligible to be president if you've engaged in an insurrection against the United States, and look how that turned out.

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[–] Zier@fedia.io 14 points 3 weeks ago

Sounds like david miscavige and scientology. Out with the old cult leader and in with the new.

[–] chalupapocalypse@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

At least he can't be president...yet

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[–] BMTea@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Elon Musk is a right-wing darling with appeal for both white nationalist types and libertarian deregulators. But no one can take over MAGA. Trump is top dog, to the degree that I have no clue what they'll do once he's gone from office.

[–] actually@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Listening to my small town chatter, where there are many mega enthusiasts, I can promise there there is no love for Musk. I think this guy is out of touch or my community is special.

And that strikes a nerve about how my area was double abandoned by the Democratic Party. Not only are they unwilling to talk about cheating by Republicans in elections here, but the party does understand or wish to understand the people.

Is it any wonder many here are seduced by lies? They are not dumb, just desperate.

[–] whithom@discuss.online 5 points 3 weeks ago

I don’t think maga could ever accept Elon as anything more than an electric soyboy. He can’t just put on a belt buckle and some boots and change his image riding up in a cybertruck. He’s also from Africa, which is the butt of many jokes.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago

Elon may be easier to beat than Trump

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