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Make your voice heard. Tell your government that chatcontrol is not something that we will agree on!

Links: EU document Links:patrik breyer website

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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 27 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Is this what democracy has become?

It's exactly the reason why I stopped playing OSRS. For those who don't know, it's an old MMO that allows people to "vote" on changes to the game. Except that if something doesn't pass, they just change a few words around until it does pass. That's not democracy, or even true voting.

The choices are biased. It's like asking why Hitler was a great man and keep getting people to vote until the result is "Yes, Hitler did great with the Volkswagen" and boom, a narrative is created by democratic vote. It's a joke. And YET AGAIN I have to send a mass email to all 30 of my countries representatives in the hope to fix democracy from the ground up.

Fuck you chat control.

Fuck all the ones in favor and the ones who keep working on getting it passed.

Fuck you.

[–] Lychee@lemmy.ml 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Thx for the OSRS reference, makes it more real.

Once again I need to make everyone aware

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

OSRS is a great example because it's extremely obvious with their new skill votes. It made me realize a lot about the politics around this chat control proposal.

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 21 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Bro, stop it... Nobodies want your fucking law

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 12 points 15 hours ago

The fascists trying to prevent a leftist uprising absolutely want it.

[–] clmbmb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 83 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

It's getting harder and harder to win this fight. I'm Romanian and I'm afraid on sunday our poor/uneducated people will vote for the far right. I don't even have any idea if I can leave for other country because everywhere you look the far right is gaining political territory.

FUCK NAZIS! FUCK FASCISM!!

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 49 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

This is more of a government versus the people fight. No matter what form of government it is. Citizens should have privacy. Although they do not seem to be willing to fight for it. But all governments, no matter what type they are, want control.

[–] sleen@lemmy.zip 14 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Agreed, I'm pretty certain some right wingers don't want random people snooping around their private stuff as well.

And most people are unwilling to fight due to this being covered up, with the likes of save the children, or combating the terrorists.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 6 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Once it passes, whether it be this year or 10 years from now, people are just going to have to decide to break the law. If everybody breaks the law and there's basically no possibility of enforcement, then the law doesn't matter.

[–] boreengreen@lemm.ee 21 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

That is not entirely accurate. Those laws will be selectively enforced against you in particular, cause they don't like you. This is a very common tactic in less civilized places. Have rules that no one is following and you have something to hold against your citizens when it suits you. So it does indeed matter.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 6 points 19 hours ago

Okay, yeah, that's a fair point.

[–] chappedafloat@lemmy.wtf 11 points 20 hours ago

problem is getting everyone to do revolution at the same time. That's one of the purposes of mass surveillance, they can detect the early beginnings of organization and send them to prison before it grows into a big snowball.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Come to the swiss alps 😊

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Because the Swiss have famously never been fans of Nazis...

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 13 hours ago

Well, up there, it does not really matter, what they do down here..

[–] Korkki@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago

It's not some break towards fascism. It's more like liberal capitalism has always had a fascist tendency and right now the western elite feels pressured everywhere so they let the mask slip and start easing in the policies of the periphery back to the core, just to keep power. This chat control is there to both allow easier crackdowns, but most of all make everybody feel that they are being watched and are less likely to start any shit against the status quo and submit, as if in a panopticon.

[–] asudox@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Organized child porn rings don’t use e-mail or messenger services, but rather secret self-operated forums. With its plans for chat control, the EU Commission is putting the general security of our private communications and public networks, business secrets and state secrets at risk out of short-term surveillance desires. What we need is removals instead of snooping!”

This is so true, I don't get how anyone can find the governments actions justifiable. Which pedophile that has at least one single braincell actually use unencrypted email providers like gmail, and without any additional encryption such as PGP? This does more harm than good.

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 18 points 17 hours ago

Elon Musk removed a flight tracker twitter account after it showed that he visited Epstein island

[–] drkt@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Not that I support this type of legislation, but I think you would be surprised how dumb sexual deviants often are.

[–] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 11 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Beware of reverse survivorship bias. We'd know relatively little about the smart deviants if they rarely get caught.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 39 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not even a European and yet I can see that this is going to be one of those on again, off again fights until they finally wear people down far enough that they don't voice their outrage and get it passed.

[–] YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping a human face.. forever." - Some book or something.

[–] chappedafloat@lemmy.wtf 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

yeah the elites who run the world have limitless money for the lobbying. I don't think it's possible to win this war on their turf under their rigged rules. Revolution is the only way but I don't think that's a realistic possibility neither. They have so many ways to divide and conquer.

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Who stands to benefit from this ruling though?

[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Politicians, who will inevitably use this to swat people disagreeing / criticising the ruling power.

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 1 points 4 hours ago
[–] UnpopularCrow@lemmy.world 28 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

It blows my mind that the EU even considers anything Orban says. He is on Russia’s side in a war where the EU is supporting Ukraine. And has led Hungary to a level of authoritarianism that no longer coincides with the EU rules of acceptance. It isn’t shocking that this nazi would bring back a “law” so he has more control over his citizens. What is sad is that so many other EU countries think it is a good thing. It is an obvious and egregious attack on privacy, something the EU has defended in the past. It is a shame that world-wide the pendulum is swinging the wrong way.

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 6 points 17 hours ago

And this is something we see, with eu elections ads just a year ago urging us to consider how fragile the peace and democracy we have actually is.

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

This is so stupid. Messengers offer easy access to E2EE, but they are not the only way to make it work. So doing this changes nothing, even assuming you need E2EE to distribute illegal material.

And I want to stress this is not even true. Or can I not just go on the internet and download a movie, which is definitely illegal and aggressively persecuted?

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

This comment assumes good faith. That is probably a mistake.

[–] Yingwu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Can someone please explain the process? This has been talked about forever, but nothing happens. Is something going to happen now? What's the timeline?

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

Fake democracy. They keep changing small rules and words around until it does pass. And we have to fight it.