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[News] Here’s the first proof a refreshed Steam Deck is nigh - The Verge (www.theverge.com)

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[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 75 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Gonna laugh hard if valve is just sourcing wireless chips from a different vendor and tracking under a new sku

[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That's basically all this is, same as they did for other components like fans and SSDs already.

The new wifi chip might be faster or support more recent standards, but that's hardly worth even calling it a product refresh.

I'm disappointed the Verge published these claims of "OMG this is a stealth upgrade!!1" with literally no other evidence.

[–] peter@feddit.uk 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Evidence for: new WiFi chip
Evidence against: valve literally said they weren't going to do it

Conclusion: steam deck 2!!!1!!

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

I do not believe that Valve would say they were not going to do it then do it.

I just bought a SteamDeck as they said they were not going to release any upgrades. I do not care if it is just minor stuff, but if they release SteamDeck2 with a new CPU, I would be a little frustrated with Valve.

[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

valve literally said they weren’t going to do it

Raspberry pi said so as well. Month later, the new model was released.

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Amiibo support coming soon! I can’t wait to give Dave the Diver Toad’s hat and diaper outfit.

[–] FARTYSHARTBLAST@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am more than happy with my current Steam Deck but...

...fukken sold!

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[–] Lenny@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just announce the next VR already, please 😭

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Valve has two different products coming up, I think we're getting both a Deck refresh and a new VR headset. Possibly announced together.

[–] Lenny@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I hope so. I was looking to get an Index but then saw rumors online about a possible new version, so I figured I’d wait a little longer for the new tech. That was two years ago 💀

[–] FARTYSHARTBLAST@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Seems crazy early for a refresh...

[–] euphoric_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

because it is, a new model they said wouldn't come out until 2025 or later. these bullshit articles just take the most vague information and try sensationalise it as much as possible

[–] FARTYSHARTBLAST@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

Or it's literally just a different radio chipset lol

[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't want oled, I don't want 4k. I would like better wifi, lighter, and better graphics capabilities. I can feel the blood returning to my hands when I set the deck down.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago

Better wifi is basically confirmed, the certification is for a better wifi chip. The APU is the same, so same power, but maybe it could be smaller and lighter.

That said, I think how hard you grip the deck has a bigger impact on your hand circulation. I used to have issues with my hands getting numb, but I was holding the deck too tightly. After adjusting my grip I don't have issues anymore and find it very comfy.

[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I don't really mind the weight. It's the shape that I can't stand. Whereas the steam controller is shaped like /0'0\ the deck is shaped like \°| |°/ . Keeping the wrists in such a sharp angle can't be healthy.

[+] spiderkle@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

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[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

that’s supposed to be at least as powerful a PS5/XBS.

I think anyone who truly believes that is huffing paint lol

[–] Ketchup@reddthat.com 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I want to believe. Will huffing paint help?

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

I always go by the wisdom of Airplane:
I picked the wrong day to stop huffing paint.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Can’t hurt! And if it does, just huff some more!

[–] YIj54yALOJxEsY20eU@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

I've either huffed too much paint or not enough, and since I can't huff less theres only one option left.

[–] Alto@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Didn't it tuen out that it was literally just the same architecture? Doesn't really mean shit

[–] Lord_Wunderfrog@lemmy.fmhy.net 9 points 2 years ago

Exactly, same architecture means nothing if it only draws a fraction of the power, eg from a battery and not mains. Not only that, but size and cooling constraints mean with our current tech, it's impossible to have a small handheld as powerful as current gen consoles

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Honestly the biggest barrier is nintendo's policy of making profit on hardware. Microsoft loses $100-$200 per console and the XSX still costs $500. Is nintendo really ready to charge $600 or even $700 for a console that matches what was released 3 years ago? 4 probably by launch?

[–] Privatepower42@fosstodon.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@Alto @Fubarberry @spiderkle @BolexForSoup on the same lever as a PS5??? Dang. You had curiosity but now you have my attention

[–] Alto@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

It's not going to be, it's (from what I've seen) simply the same architecture. It'll probably be what's essentially a very cut down and underpowered (as in literally uses less power) version of it. Still a massive step up from the switch, which was already well outdated when it launched, but it's not going to touch PS5 performance

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

They said they're not releasing a more powerful deck, and we already know from leaks that the upcoming valve hardware has the same APU.

This doesn't rule out other changes, like a new screen, different form factor, etc.

[–] Lord_Wunderfrog@lemmy.fmhy.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My money's on a new Index. Possibly with onboard graphics like the Quest

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There are supposedly two new hardware devices coming from Valve, earlier leaks had two different product code names. So possibly we're getting both a revised deck and a new VR something.

[–] eltimablo@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

God, what I wouldn't give for a standalone VR headset with the Steam Deck's internals...mostly because I just want them to shove a whole bunch of support behind getting VR to work right on Linux.

[–] Privatepower42@fosstodon.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@Fubarberry @Lord_Wunderfrog dang, people just got a deck. Oh well, time to upgrade. I really want a better screen. Playing games on the SD and seeing that same game on other consoles makes me feel like I’m missing details.

[–] pory@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't think there's currently evidence that this new "Deck" is a Deck at all. Releasing a standing console box with the Deck's internals but better cooling, ethernet and better wifi, HDMI/DP out, 3.5" SSD support, and SteamOS 3.5, but no screen / integrated controls / battery would make a lot of sense for Valve. And I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't probably buy one - the docked Deck has been fantastic in that role. It would probably be cheaper than the Deck since durability, battery, and screen are all likely expensive investments for them on the actual Deck.

Steam Machines failed because there wasn't a successful base model for companies to clone, and because Big Picture mode sucked. The modern Deck UI and UX are on par with Sony/MS/Nintendo's and you get to sell the console as "it works with the controllers you already have and the games you already bought".

[–] theragu40@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I highly doubt Nintendo is attempting any kind of gap closure with the deck, because how could they and why?

The only thing they share is a form factor. Nintendo is well aware that the reason they sell consoles is as a dedicated platform for their own games. I truly believe that is their bread and butter and all they really care about. If the system gets popular enough, then it will get some third party support which means it will have some very limited library crossover with PC/PS/Xbox, but I think we are past the point where Nintendo intends to rely on that as a selling point for this or any future generation of consoles. Ports of games that come to switch are pretty uniformly the worst version of the game to play, and it's pretty clear that doesn't bother Nintendo at all.

Which is all to say, I don't think Nintendo and Valve think of each other as direct competitors, because they serve entirely different markets. I have both a switch and a deck. I love them both. I use my switch to play Nintendo games, I use my deck to play pretty much anything else. I don't think I'm unique at all in that regard, and frankly it never would occur to me that these devices have anything to do with one another.

[–] ultrasquid@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

If its slightly smaller and has an OLED screen, then it'll be great. Those are really the only things the current Steam Deck needs.

[–] dom@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd buy an oled version hands down. Whether smaller or not.

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[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It probably could have an OLED screen if the screen was only 5-6". It's easy to get left over OLED screens from phone production in that screen size.

[–] eltimablo@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Phone screens aren't 16:9 anymore though, so they'd probably end up having to cut down a really big phone screen (like 9" or so) or just make it custom.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago

Ayaneo was able to locate 5.5" 1920x1080 OLED screens for their Air model, so some 16:9 screens are out there.

[–] Privatepower42@fosstodon.org 2 points 2 years ago

@ultrasquid @Fubarberry refresh refresh refresh.

[–] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I hope they revise the daughterboards to reinforce the bumper switches

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I haven't had an issue with this but it sounds scary. The case I use (Spiggan) does have a part of the case that sticks above the bumpers, so I'm hoping that will protect me if I drop it.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 7 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The mystery “Valve 1030” that went through South Korea’s National Radio Research Agency has now been definitively identified as a Steam Deck, and it’s our first proof the hardware’s potentially close enough to release to justify showing it to regulators.

Quectel filed for a Class II Permission Change to simply allow its certified Wi-Fi 6E and Bluetooth chip, the FC66E, to retroactively work in a new Steam Deck, too.

It’s a clever technique — as you can see in the document above, Valve’s supplier is able to argue that the new Steam Deck has a weaker antenna, so its radio emissions don’t need to be retested.

Valve can hide whatever new features it likes behind the Wi-Fi chip certification because these agencies only tend to regulate radio emissions, not other specs.

I have to admit it could simply be an existing Steam Deck with a refreshed radio chip if its previous supplier, Realtek, ran out.

Lynch continues to find code snippets that suggest a wireless PC VR headset is also on the way — I wouldn’t be surprised if Valve announces both items simultaneously.

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[–] DepressedCoconut@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They are still not selling in Norway. So then I simply dont care.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago

I'd really like to see the deck more internationally available, Valve's limited experience as a hardware vendor really shows when it comes to the limited availability of the deck.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Just give me usb4

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

USB10 or why bother?

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Two USB ports would be really nice. Is USB4 able to use an external GPU?

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is USB4 able to use an external GPU?

Yes but it would be BS to use one with a power-contrained CPU like the Deck's.

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Yes but it would be BS to use one with a power-contrained CPU like the Deck’s.

You could bump up the resolution and graphical settings at least, even if you're constrained in framerate and in CPU limited games. Although I believe the eGPU support on Linux isn't great at this point either.

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