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[–] noodlejetski@geddit.social 177 points 1 year ago (11 children)
[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 89 points 1 year ago

This was the original cyberpunk-transhumanist message. Not "cybernetics will destroy your soul" but "corporations own your body, or worse parts of your body"

[–] Coeus@coeus.sbs 60 points 1 year ago (3 children)

A good argument for open source

[–] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] oce@jlai.lu 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] Helldiver_M@kbin.social 55 points 1 year ago

That's a new hell-on-eath I wasn't aware of. Yikes.

[–] Frigidlollipop@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Terrifying. No government bailout for improving people's life quality...

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[–] FIST_FILLET@kbin.social 117 points 1 year ago (19 children)

imagine physically embedding the fucking musk into your brain, VOLUNTARILY. i can't imagine anything worse in the world

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 96 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Musk is doing more to make people realize how garbage capitalism is than Marx ever could.

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[–] crow@beehaw.org 61 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I’m not putting anything in me that’s not foss. I worry for the tech illiterate though when they eventually adopt this idea.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I want to thank Facebook for making it blatantly obvious to us that we should never get any brain implants. They'll definitely use them to read your thoughts and push ads straight into your consciousness. Oh, and you'll probably have to pay a subscription.

[–] atyaz@reddthat.com 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Your tinnitus will get progressively louder until you pay your bill

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago

Hello Satan. I didn't realize you use Lemmy.

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[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 56 points 1 year ago

There'e not enough knowledge and connectivity in the entire internet that could convince me to ever put a connection directly to my mind online.

[–] astral_avocado@programming.dev 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (20 children)

Neuralink is an excellent advancement for brain science and it is greatly going to help disabled people and those with little function left over their bodies. It's okay to celebrate this technology while also hating musk.

Like SpaceX, they've both been excellent ventures that he so far hasn't ruined (probably thanks to the people he delegates to). Just because it's fashionable to hate him for how he's absolutely fucked over Twitter (which i'll remind everyone we've always hated and agreed is bad, use Mastodon instead) doesn't mean his other companies largely spearheaded by others, and their results, are also bad.

That's not even to mention that the kind of dystopian technology people are imagining isn't anywhere close to what the Neuralink device is actually capable of. What everyones fearmongering over is still just science fiction. It's just barely able to interpret brain signals, it's not as powerful as everyone makes it out to be.

2nd edit: forgot what instance I'm on, this comment probably ain't going to do well lol

[–] stingpie@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The big issue I have with brain chips is longevity. How long until the electrodes degrade? When will the chips fail? Once they fail, will it be fail safe or fail deadly? Also, what will be the power source? Will it use inductive power, or battery power? They are both awful options. What if the chip overheats? The implementation is the real question here, but neuralink refuse to give any answers because it proprietary.

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[–] nicerdicer@feddit.de 46 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I'm sure these implants will give much needed ease to patients who suffer frem tremors like parkinson and other neurological diseases. But the things I'm mostly concerned about are:

  • Will health insurance pay for the implant in a one-time-payment? Will it be a subscription model? What happens when you can't pay your subscription? Will it be shut off?
  • Will the implant be operated through firmware (like a pacemaker) or software, which reqires frequent updates? If so, will there be - like computer software - "new features" implemented ("With version 2.0 you will be able to share your Neuralink experience with other Neuralink users. Your data may not be leaked, pinky promise."
  • What if a certain mentally unstable CEO throws a tantrum that will affect the performance of the Neuralink implant negatively? Will there be any legal protection from such thing?
[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The thought that frightens me even more (although I am not a neurologist) is that if this is installed in children, and the neural pathways for the child's basic functions are formed to pass through that implant, removing the implant will render the child unable to think.

[–] alizard@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh god, new horrors just dropped

[–] Stoneykins@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Positive thought: maybe thats the first step to become a godlike computer brain species

Negative thought: if that is how it works I doubt it is just kids that it would do that to. If that happens I would guess it could happen to anyone who has one "installed" long enough

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[–] meldroc@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

A long time ago I read some cyberpunk novel, and one of the characters had an ocular implant that got infected with malware that flashed spam ads for Indian brothels in his vision 24/7, even with his eyes closed, until he went completely postal.

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[–] Sabata11792@kbin.social 40 points 1 year ago

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[–] ScrollinMyDayAway@lemm.ee 40 points 1 year ago

Fox Viewers: 'Don't get vaccinated because there are brain controlling microchips hidden in the jab.' Also Fox Viewers: 'I can't wait to get one of Elon's brain chips to own the libs!'

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Wow, who did Elon have to fuck to get FDA approval for a brain chip that's killed numerous test subjects.

Edit: Just a friendly reminder that ublock, sponsorblock, newpipe x sponsorblock, libretube, youtube piped exist

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[–] sagrotan@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (5 children)

There comes the time you have to root your own brain and install CyanogenMod 23.0 "BrainIac" on it, maybe "TorView" and "OpenMath" too. I recommend "FreeTaste 2.0" as an addon.

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[–] Adeptfuckup@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You mean the FDA approved of lobotomizing a select few of desperate people to satiate the narcissistic impulses of its founder. Anyone else wanna take a ride in this plastic submarine???

[–] WNichArk@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

Uh, it's a "submersible" and it's not plastic, it's throwaway expired carbon fiber from Boeing...

[–] Notorious_handholder@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On one hand I'm excited for what the tech can do for medical purposes and future applications... On the other hand I'm terrified on what governments and corporations have in mind for it, cause I guarantee it will not be good

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Looking forward to the eventual open source/Linux version of this lol.

My brain runs Arch BTW

[–] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as brain, is in fact, GNU/brain, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus brain. Brain is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many humans with the Neurolink chip run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “brain”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really are brains, and these people are using them, but it is just a part of the system they use. Brain is the kernel: the organ in the system that allocates the body's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Brain is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with brain added, or GNU/brain. All the so-called “brain” distributions are really distributions of GNU/brain.

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[–] moosetwin@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

mfw I try to install arch linux to my brain and fucking die after it bricks itself

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[–] HippieSplash@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago (7 children)

As someone who suffers daily from a traumatic brain injury 5 years ago that's caused me to become physically disabled and cognitively declined, I'm super excited about this.

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[–] tjaden@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] SlothMama@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I think of this as being straight up horrifying. This isn't exciting, this is going to be dystopian nightmare fuel. It's not hard to imagine this being imbedded into human beings against their will too, like prisoners in the US.

I would rather be a Borg, at least they were motivated by a collective good will to move to perfection, not puppets of a dying capitalist state and it's related ideology.

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[–] Kalkaline@lemmy.one 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60416058 related. It's going to be a subscription service and Musk is going to have his fanboys hooked in for the short life of the company.

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[–] Goodman@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can't wait to sell my excess brain power to crypto miners

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[–] Granite@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Even if Muskrat weren’t involved, this still has a hell no from me. You leave me and the voices alone.

Although Star Wars cybernetic hands would be dope.

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[–] WeebLife@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remember that episode in Futurama where they got personalized ads fed to their brains while they slept?..... 😔

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[–] camillaSinensis@reddthat.com 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Brain-computer/machine interfaces are really interesting when treating conditions like paralysis or Parkinson's disease, and to a certain extent severe psychiatric conditions if you count deep brain stimulation for e.g. severe OCD. I don't think we'll be anywhere near sending detailed multisensory content like ads into people's brains for a long time though. That's so far outside the scope of what brain stimulation can do right now, it's really just scifi.

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[–] object_Object@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah nothing is even going close to my brain unless the hardware itself is open source

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Just wait until it's not technically mandatory, but you can't do your taxes, find a job or participate in society without beaming ads straight to your brain.

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[–] puchaczyk@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

LastWeekTonight made an interesting episode about medical devices and how they are cleared or approved. The OP's post is about approval for human trials, but I think Neuralink getting approved for the market by FDA and then ruining many lives anyway is a real possibility.

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