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[–] CaptainFlintlockFinn@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They made it so social media companies have to pay for the news. It’s Meta that’s doing the blocking.

[–] knitwitt@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As I understand it, meta has announced they will be deplatforming Canadian news and links. In retaliation, the federal government will no longer pay for advertisements on their platform.

[–] CaptainFlintlockFinn@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

I’m now realizing that I read your title wrong. my brain messed with the word ‘advertising’ and told me that was referring to the news that’s no longer being allowed on the sites. Stupid brain.

[–] Phyrin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I read correctly, they’re just complying. If they don’t want to pay, they need to filter out the content. It’s not really retaliation, but following the law

[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

From what we saw in earlier reports, the draft regulations haven’t even been gazetted for consultation yet.

It sound like Meta is acting preemptively to put pressure on the government.

[–] EhForumUser@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It sound like Meta is acting preemptively to put pressure on the government.

There isn't much pressure to exert. C-18 has already received Royal Assent. The people of Canada have spoken, and this is what they want. Given that this is what Canadians have proclaimed as being what they want, why would Facebook wait?

If homicide laws were being introduced for the first time, and not yet in effect, are you going to kill a few people while you still can? Or are you going to realize that people don't like being murdered and conclude that maybe you should not do that even if the law still technically allows?

[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The law has been passed but the actual regulations are to come.

It seems this is more about Meta not wanting to be subject to laws or courts of other countries.

The Australian version of the law would have given the minister power to designate firms, this one requires a more transparent process under regulation that would determine which firms are subject to the tax.

Some observers say that this was key point for Meta because it doesn’t want to accept being subject to legislation by any country outside the US on any issue.

Legislation that uses designations by ministers or Cabinet have been an issue for Canada in the past in trade relations with other countries. Foreign investment reviews. These were claimed to be not transparent decision processes.

What evidence do we have that this is about not wanting to accept Canada having legal authority?

There have been cases where Canadian courts have made court orders on Meta and Google and they have not complied because they claim the Canadian courts do not have jurisdiction. They claim they are only subject to the law of California and the US. As examples, there have been cases where Canadian courts have ordered access to the Facebook and Google accounts of deceased persons and they have not complied.

[–] EhForumUser@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It seems this is more about Meta not wanting to be subject to laws or courts of other countries.

Clearly they're not, as you tell at the end. But at the same time they have to pay some lip service to the wants of Canadians, else they risk seeing them flee the platform.

[–] Phyrin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ahh can’t believe I missed that it wasn’t enacted yet - thanks!

[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The legislation had Royal Assent, but coming into force and the publication of final regulations and, in turn, their effective date are yet further steps.

[–] Dearche@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I believe Google announced that they're doing the same thing, but haven't actually pulled the plug yet. They're probably just waiting until the law comes into effect and just drop Canadian news instead of negotiating payment.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

BC followed suit awhile back as well. I saw that the federal government was spending $10M per year so not an insignificant amount.

[–] Phyrin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I never quite understood this law, it seems delusional.

A free an open internet doesn’t work if you need to pay to link to something.

[–] ram@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Facebook makes money off the advertising people see as they read the news feeds. Canada's saying they must share some of that with the companies they're using the content of.

The act is not any linking of news content, but of aggregation, ranking, or an index of news content, or the distribution of the news or any portion thereof. So, specifically tailoring news for users, it's expected that the companies who are profiting from that tailoring of the news kick-back a portion of the profits to the outlets who need to be paid to create it in the first place.