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NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says his party will bring forward a motion of non-confidence to bring down the Trudeau government in the next sitting of the House of Commons.

"The Liberals don't deserve another chance," Singh wrote in a letter on Friday. "That's why the NDP will vote to bring this government down."

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 33 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Can this wait until Feb 1? Give Canadians a bit more of a chance to see the US get fucked first.

[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Parliament doesn't sit until Jan 26, so it won't happen before then.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

First sitting on the 27th, to be exact. Source.

Yeah, I'm panicking a lot less now. And depending on the exact rules JT could prorogue it even further.

Somebody in the media mentioned a Liberal leadership election; if he goes that way I'll be "kalm" again.

[–] Pixel@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A Liberal leadership convention would require ~4-5 months. The Liberals would name an interim leader elected by caucus if JT steps down.

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[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Dang welcome to Trump's Canada I guess. Scary times boys

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"The Liberals don't deserve another chance,"

And Conservatives shouldn't even get a chance, yet Singh is handing them power on a silver plate.

Burning down the country and democracy in the West "to own the Libs" sounds like a plan we may never recover from.

[–] Pixel@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

The Conservatives will win either way. There's nothing in the next 10 months that would prevent the Conservatives from winning short of PP beating up children.

Voting no confidence now allows the NDP to viably compete for seats like Ottawa Centre where the liberals are weak and rebuild their influence and standing in the house. I don't see why it's the duty of every left-leaning party to prop up the Liberals as the natural governing party. Waiting 10 months isn't going to cause the NDP to sweep into government, it might at best just delay the inevitable if they're lucky, but more likely delaying will catastrophically wipe out their party by making them look like Liberal stage props.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't see why it's the duty of every left-leaning party to prop up the Liberals as the natural governing party.

It's the third party fallacy all over again.

[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe Turdeau should have fucking followed through on election reform like he promised then.

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It's about optics.

Canada is one of the last few full democracies out there, and seeing how the United States has already failed, to give up and surrender sends a strong message to other nations that democracy just doesn't work.

[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its not giving up and surrendering for the NDP to not support thr liberals. Unconditionally supporting them no matter what because of fear of the conservatives would be surrendering.

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[–] Pixel@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So you're saying that if a viable parliamentary democracy is functioning as intended, it has failed?

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

viable parliamentary democracy is functioning as intended

I guess that depends on your definition of functioning.

Just the other day, the NDP leader said this: "We’re not going to vote in favour of any of their games because that’s what (the Conservatives are) doing. They’re playing games,” Singh told reporters after the vote was tallied. (SOURCE)

And now he wants to play games with our future by handing Conservatives more power?

We all know that the Conservative party in Canada and the Republicans in the US are not acting in good faith to bring benefit to the people, so is this how our democracy is supposed to work?

We have a democracy FOR THE PEOPLE, and if the people aren't benefiting from these "games", then it's not functioning as intended.

In my opinion, of course.

[–] Pixel@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Democracy's success isn't measured by how one person feels about an incoming government - it's based on the strength of democratic institutions, and liberal democracies are further characterized by strong civil societies and human rights regimes. If the majority of Canadians want a Conservative government in power - why do you feel that preference shouldn't be accepted?

It doesn't sound like you even want a democracy, you just want a one-party autocracy, given that you feel that people shouldn't be allowed to have fluid political preferences. That's a failure of democracy - a one party state with all decisions made by someone on Lemmy.

I'm not happy about an incoming Conservative majority government either, but my gut reaction isn't to start claiming that democracy in Canada has failed. I'm able to calmly acknowledge that there's a party right now that is probably going to win a plurality of votes and ridings because the majority of voters align with their messaging. That's not a failure of democracy, that's a success of democracy.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Liberals don't deserve another chance, sure, but handing the election over to the conservative party? What the fuck...

[–] Pixel@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Why is it the responsibility of a third party like the NDP to keep up the Liberals in power?

If the NDP can steal and win former Liberal seats, it seems really dumb not to capitalize on that opportunity. It's not like the NDP will form government, nor will the Conservatives lose traction in the next 10 months. There's a Conservative government coming in regardless of how you feel.

[–] honc@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago

Except the NDP are unlikely to pick up many Liberal seats and will go from holding the balance of power to having no power. I don’t follow this logic.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

It's not, but when the country is frothing at the mouth over even more unhinged authoritarian/oligarchy leadership than what we have, NDP aren't going to stand much of a chance on their own. All the going to do is drive more people to vote CPC

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

"Maybe when Canada is fed up with the Cons, they'll vote us in!"

Shortsighted buffoons

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

~~We're doomed. Probably.~~

[–] Frederic@beehaw.org 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yup, and gov is in vacation until Jan 27th, so when they wil go back to work, Trump in its first week may have already destroyed a couple of things here and there in our economy

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 weeks ago

Actually, that's a good thing. Parliament blow up before he arrives. The government itself will continue to operate.

Thanks, I thought they were coming back early January and was worried.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Yeah, WTF is he thinking? At least wait until October after we've had a chance to put out the Trump fire a bit.

Hopefully it's a bluff to get Trudeau to resign, but that's not really the typical NDP MO.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

WTF is he thinking?

For better or worse, he's probably reached the point where he thinks they need to cut all remaining ties to the Liberals, and not be seen as propping them up, formally or otherwise.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago

With the Conservatives 20 points ahead in polls, it's definitely for worse.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And that's worth a PP government? IMO he's lost the plot if that's his entire line of thinking.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 11 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

I'm torn on this.

On the one hand, I agree that a PP government is a terrible thing.

On the other hand, it's hardly the NDP's job to prop up another political party.

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[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

WTF is he thinking?

"The Bloc will let me do some performative grand standing. I hope."

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I hope so too but it doesn't really seem like a smart move since it'd make their threats seem empty (though actually going through with this isn't smart either...)

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

Well, memories tend to be short in politics, and even then it's only credibility-damaging if it gets called. If it was the conservatives I'd pretty much just assume it's a bluff.

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[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 11 points 3 weeks ago

Get ready for one of the ugliest campaigns in living memory.

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Just to remind everyone: Layton pulled this same stunt, toppling Martin's government.

The result was the loss of a number of progressive initiatives Martin's people were working on, the election of fucking Stephen Harper and the most conservative Canadian political landscape since Borden. Science was suppressed, lslamophobia went from being a dogwhistle to a bullhorn, we narrowly avoided economic catastrophy. Harper even fucked with the Census in an attempt to remake Canada.

A lot of dippers really idolized Layton, but honestly he was a shameless opportunist and I don't forgive him for giving us almost a decade of Harper.

And Singh is pulling the same fucking stunt.

[–] Pixel@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Just to remind everyone: Layton pulled this same stunt, toppling Martin’s government.

Refusing to support a sitting government mired in scandal isn’t a stunt—it’s taking a stand. Calling an election wasn’t just the right thing to do; it was unavoidable after the Office of the Auditor General laid bare the extent of corruption. This wasn’t a minor misstep—it was a government blatantly diverting public funds to secure its own re-election. Propping up such a government would have been a betrayal of public trust.

Pinning the blame on Layton because the only viable alternative brokerage party to form government was the Conservative Party is absurd. That’s not on him; it’s on the corrupt Liberal party establishment of the time for destroying their own credibility. A lot of voters are only used to the reformed Liberal Party under Trudeau, but there was a point in time where the Liberal party apparatus was very different.

Let’s be clear: the fault lies with those who abused their power, not with those who refused to stand by and enable it. Misrepresenting this as opportunism is a deliberate distortion of the facts, designed to deflect attention from the real issue—a government that deserved to fall. Just admit you're pro-corruption and move on.

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[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

Poilievre is winning a majority no matter what, I'd rather get it out of the way sooner instead of sitting through another year of ineffective Liberal virtue signalling.

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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago

Please don’t do it Mr Singh.

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