Or they'll blame you for roping them into this exploitative shitshow with a side of climate apocalypse, and they'll be correct.
I just don't want anyone new to come to this atrocious world.
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I intend on adopting (in a distant future if I'm ever financially and psychologically stable). Lots of kids who have already been born could use a loving family.
Having kids seems like the punishment to me
its like i found my people. while also against pro-creating, i'm pro-abortion too. if we could cause extinction, we could be heroes.
God, would then be forced to create a world worth living in. unless we stop him from doing this to us, we will be forced to return.
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Not having kids cuz I'm not especially fond of the idea of throwing the poor little shits into the dumpsterfire we've made our world. That and I don't want to pitch my offspring as ammo into a breeding war against the Nazis/cultists/idiots. They can have it.
I don't trust humanity with my offspring. Especially not the people who demand more people in this world. They have to be sadists.
I say stop having kids to wholly avert the undeserved and nonconsensual suffering that is inherent to a sentient life and suffering across sentient lives should be minimized
Buddhists hate this one weird trick.
There was a christian sect that managed to be so sucessful at this, it went extinct.
Better than the enthusiastic nihilism in this thread, tbh.
You mind expanding a bit more on that? Not trying to take a jab at you. I really want to understand.
Just a joke about practicing what you preach, I suppose.
I think we all write our own stories, for ourselves and humanity at large. If we're able to turn this ship around, it won't be because of the attitudes in this thread. It will be in spite of them.
Kids are great. Life is challenging but worth living and worth fighting for.
Positive perspective is valuable, and cynicism is just lazy counterproductive nonsense without it.
I understand. And I agree with those words.
What if the reason I got sterilized is that I don’t want to deal with raising them, knowing full well the burden would fall to me and I can’t even manage to keep myself fed most of the time (effort, not availability) and it just works in everyone’s favor?
I can feed my cats twice a day and clean their boxes once, and they manage themselves otherwise if that’s all I have the energy for. That’s called neglect with children.
Makes more sense than either in the meme. Carry on, friend.
Why would not having kids punish men?
It's part of the "no sex, no marriage, no kids" platform that focuses on bodily and personal autonomy for women by withholding sex from men and ensuring they'll never be tied down in any form.
women and men both surprised that neither needs the other all that much, but somehow, both are equally mad about it
No fucking clue either. Some kind of random misogyny most likely
*Misandry?
No, I'm saying that the idea of women punishing men by not being good little brood mares is misogyny.
Tell that to the feminist movement in South Korea that came up with it.
Korea and Asia in large is not that much of an example for womens rights, on any front.
Hence the feminist movement that spawned the initial thing that made this meme.
Equality between genders should never be something arguable. Movements that claim for it should and must beuphold and I sincerely hope it fosters true and meaningful change. Longlasting and profound.
I also hope that in this well intended objective, women that, although supporting the cause, wanting to nonetheless have a family are not labelled as traitors to the cause.
The likes of musk are breeding like crazy though, arguing against a "population collapse". But idk if the rest of the little musks would be willing to fill in the white collar jobs that made daddy rich in the first place.
I'm not having kids because I am a man. Where do I fit on the scale?
The rich can only stay in power when there is a constant new supply of naive workers
Existence is when capitalism.
I hate this so much as a leftist talking point. If the working class has no more kids all that happens is that we slowly phase out the peasants for the inevitable shift to fully automated labor, without even attempting revolution.
Just total submission to our neofeudal masters, allowing them to effectively kill us when we are no longer needed. Like cattle.
Have kids, if only so you have proper motivation to fight for a better tomorrow instead of this defeatist crap
If you need your own offspring to have motivation to fix things you are definitely in it for bad reasons. I mean if you want to raise the next generation of human cattle, the machine always needs more.
Automation would be great, actually, if we shifted society to one where your ability to survive wasn’t tied to your ability to generate profit for the wealthy, and made the whole of society based on renewable resources.
What is "things that are already happening", Alex. Like your overlords are gonna give you the choice lol. You think anyone asked the horse how it felt about the car? Or the ice man when refrigerators came along, and a thousand other industries?
So we should just roll over and die off peacefully? I think not
Breeding "soldiers" to fight a class war or "surfs" to toil at pointless jobs? Sometimes the only winning move is not to play. Lol how do you get your Bacon? You ever get your hands dirty and slaughter a pig? Nah you drive to the the mega store in your SUV and your pjs.
I dont think i get your point, but for that matter I am not an american, I dont eat meat and I dont have a car, never mind an SUV lol. And the winning move here is to topple capitalism, not consent to die off.
Let me guess Hindi? Capitalism is a symptom of humanity unfortunately. Humans are a virus. Hail the great Filter.
I am german myself, citizen of Europe's capitalism capital. A country firmly in the grip of conservative impulses and the billionaires who play on them for their own gain. I still don't want to roll over.
Anyway, why do you not kill yourself then? Be done with it, do something good for the cosmos.
Or admit that you're just a fucking coward, too scared to keep on living and also too scared to just exit this plane of existence like your beliefs demand.
Ah the typical anger German. What is your nickname? Giftzwerg? The point is I had no choice in this life. I enjoy my current life and when I'm done, I'll be done 😜. Have a bratwurst like a man and quit making your problems everyone else's. Tell me again how many world wars did your country lose? Have you ever even held a firearm? Do you think the next big war will be fought with bullets?