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Looks like its over for me and youtube. Being told I cant watch because of an ad blocker.

Where is everyone moving to and using instead of youtube? I will just move to the same place.

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 116 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

ublock origin is still one step ahead of them (at least on firefox) but you may need to go into the extension settings and purge then update all your filter lists. The copy of Invidious I installed on my NAS is even more steps ahead.

[–] appel@lemmy.ml 21 points 11 months ago

ublock origin is still one step ahead of them (at least on firefox) but you may need to go into the extension settings and purge then update all your filter lists.

Specific instructions can be found here: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/6089078

[–] yukichigai@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The copy of Invidious I installed on my NAS is even more steps ahead.

I too have an NAS that runs Docker and have been looking for things to run on it. Container++! :D

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[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 38 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] ThiefUserPermissions@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Just googled this also but similar issue to freetube? Just an app to the same service if I understand correctly?

[–] algorithmae@lemmy.one 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If the people you watch only upload to YouTube, how would they be available on other services?

[–] ThiefUserPermissions@lemmy.myserv.one 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes obviously there is a problem here exactly like the reddit to lemmy problem. Just another obstacle but thats okay. Probably it is solvable.

[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

For video hosting? Good luck, that's almost certainly never going to happen. There is not one single competitor to Youtube even from corporations, there is no way any decentralised solution will work long term, especially not if you are expecting features like 4k or 60fps+ content.

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[–] DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Not quite - NewPipe is a YouTube client as well. It's just that it also support PeerTube (a decentralised video hosting solution).

For YouTube, NewPipe is an ~~anonymous~~ account-free, ad-blocking client. You can import your current YouTube subscriptions using a Google Takeout dump (the NewPipe app gives you instructions) and you can add more channel subs directly in the app.

The benefits are no YouTube ads, and it's privacy-friendly but with channel subs - you're escaping the algorithm. To get the benefit of subs on YouTube directly, you need to login, which means they're mining your video watching data and using it to target you (and possibly sell that data to others).

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[–] PatFussy@lemm.ee 33 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

ReVanced for youtube. This links to a Lemmy post of how to install. It also has a FAQ page if interested

[–] MisterChief@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Seconded. I'm about 9 months into revanced after vanced got shut down and its virtually identical. 15 min install with easy step by step guides to enjoy the good youtube has to offer without all the shit.

Also you can add or remove features you like/dislike which is a big benefit.

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[–] gornius@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ok, if I remember correctly, YouTube barely generates, but generates nonetheless revenue for Google. There are many ways to make more money without fucking over its users by cutting costs:

  • downgrade old videos with small watch count to 720p30

  • make people pay for hosting >1080p60 content

  • do not allow private/unlisted videos

  • straight up remove 10h looped videos - they take so much space, but are technically spam - both for bandwidth and storage

And my go-to solution: focus on sponsorships as main source of revenue. They are the only ads I can tolerate and are actually effective from my experience. YouTube can just take a cut from every sponsorship on YouTube video and everyone will be happy.

[–] ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Sponsorblock addon is a must for me nowadays

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Update your ad blocker, you only get that when it's out of date

[–] codapine@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Libretube. Get v0.19 or higher, youtube just screwed around with its code and broke v0.18. I love how it works with sponsor block to even skip those "this video is brought to you by xyz incorporated, be sure to Yada Yada Yada..." segments.

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[–] Jikiya@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I don't understand this. And not saying it to stir up hate, or troll. This came up for me, I closed the pop-up, and watched the video with no ads. It only added a single click to the whole thing. And they've since gone away for me. Don't know why they stopped, though they have.

[–] Whatisawaffle@kbin.social 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think the term is A-B testing. When a company wants to see what effect a change will have, they don't force it on everyone at once, just on a certain number of people (A), and then see what happens compared to the rest (B).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/A-B_testing_example.png

This is why you'll always get people saying, "Huh, I haven't seen that. It's not doing it for me on [browser]." They're in the (B) group...for now.

The data the company wants is to know if, do the test people like the change (or are at least willing to tolerate it)? Or do they spend less time on the site? If so, how much? If the results are within their predictions, they'll expand the testing until everyone is in (A).

There can also be A-B-C-D-etc testing, where some people who get the blocking windows would be able to close it, and some wouldn't. How many of each ended up disabling their adblock?

This also helps to "boil the frog", where they can slowly get people used to the idea that this is happening, rather than having a whole wave of surprised outrage at once.

[–] Bongles@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

I believe Google is "testing" it right now, so for some people it's been slowly escalating to where they were allowed 3 videos before it stopped them from watching anymore videos with the ad blocker enabled.

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[–] Sowhatever@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 11 months ago

I moved to YouTube premium a few years ago, family subscription, to share with up to 5 people. YouTube is my main source of entertainment and the 15 bucks total (or whatever the conversion rate is) is less than 90 minutes of a movie in a cinema, nit even including transportation and snacks. I get my news, tech news/reviews, tutorials, documentaries, inspiration and laughs on there. I watch it while getting ready in the morning, on my lunch break and for a longer while in the evening. I share it with 2 other people so it works out to around 5 bucks a month. And the creators I like get a big portion of that.

Sure, around 60 bucks a year might sound a lot, but it's the only service I pay for (except the 2 bucks a month Disney plus trial until December). As a small bonus YouTube music transformed my Google home devices into a multi-room audio Sonos alternative for under 1/3 of the price.

I still use NewPipe on my phone for downloads for offline use and yt-dlp for content I want to hoard.

[–] Meho_Nohome@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago
[–] agnomeunknown@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Actual unpopular opinion: get yt premium. It gives creators the money they would've got for you watching an ad, while giving you an ad free experience, and also includes yt music which might take some adjustments if you're used to Spotify, but then you will also not be supporting Spotify which is probably the worst streaming service in terms of paying artists.

(They're all bad and many people would argue similarly against supporting Google via YouTube, so perhaps it's a moot point, but that's part of how I justify my sub to myself anyways.)

[–] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Lol no. Youtube pays way less then spotify to the artists. Tidal and bandcamp are the only "ok" options.

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[–] UnicornKitty@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Or you could just become a member of their channel. I look at it this way though. If a youtuber I'm watching has lots of subscribers, one more member in that community probably isn't going to make a difference. If a youtuber I'm watching doesn't have the subscriber numbers they deserve, I will become a member. I always choose the highest tiers for them too. And join their patreon and do the same there. If I do that, I will actually listen/watch on patreon then put both YouTube versions in my watch list for when I need background noise and just upvote both videos.

That way they get all the things I can possibly do for them without giving youtube as much as I give the creators. This is my understanding of how that works though. With premium, if they actually give any of that money to the creators (my heart says no, corporations suck), it would be way less than the channel membership would give them. I don't actually know how much premium costs though.

Please do correct me if I'm wrong. At the moment I don't have very many people on my memberships. And I know most people these days probably can't afford to do that, but even a $1 or $2 membership to one or a couple of them can make a difference to the ones you really support and who probably need it more than they'd get from premium.

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[–] Getallen@feddit.nl 6 points 11 months ago

Instead get Revanced and an adblocker + firefox.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

get yt premium

No.

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[–] scytale@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

I still haven’t encountered this. Use FF with updated uBO filter lists and you should be fine.

[–] young_broccoli@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

Maybe peertube? Its a decentralized and federated video plataform

[–] gamenac@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

If you are visiting YT on mobile, ReVanced has been working perfectly for me on Android. I'm not sure if there is cross-platform support, but there are alternatives to traditional adblockers out there.

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 11 months ago

Lazy answer: Invidious. I often use inv.tux.pizza, but there are a few dozen public instances.

Nobody is leaving YouTube. There's no viable alternative right now because of how expensive hosting video is.

[–] MuttMutt@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Just sign out and remove all the youtube cookies and the adblockers still work just fine. Sign in when you want to comment or use another browser that is signed in and never watch the video on that browser. Simple solution. Another option is watch the video by right clicking and opening in a "new private window" instead of watching while signed in. That works really well until you want to comment.

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[–] shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

uYou+ on iOS (installed from GitHub using Sideloadly or AltStore) is working great, even skips sponsored segments and allows background playback

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