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There is not going to be any rational discussion in this thread.
The article is far too shit. There is nothing there. No evidence. No nothing. It's just anger bait.
I can add a lot of (correct) information here, but I will just piss people off.
Let's be better.
I thought salon was better than this, but I guess we can't escape enshitification.
If it helps, I can rationally discuss glyphosate. Plant geneticist here.
I don't know why you thought salon would be better. I was literally about to say they're the liberal equivalant of Fox but I just looked it up and even Fox is actually ranked higher on factual reporting than Salon. A closer comparison would be that they're the liberal equivalent of Breitbart.
Detectable is not the same thing as being found at a level known to be harmful. The concentration of things matters.
Can we stop spreading this bullshit anti-glyphosate propaganda? educate yourselves
You wanna know what else has been linked to cancer, and with actual good evidence for it? Hot water. source
Go touch grass and worry about the things you should really worry about, like the fact your food system is set up for collapse with 2 decades and you'd better hope big Ag comes up with something brilliant cuz otherwise you're in the shit unless you're at least partially self-sufficient.
other things in the probably carcinogenic category: coffee & working the night shift.
the difference is, those things are on the list with good reason.
I mean, Round-up is absolutely dangerous and unhealthy. It's a fucking terrible idea to get a cubic meter tank and mix glyphosate by submerging your arms up to the shoulder to stir the product till it's diluted. You really shouldn't start your day with a tall glass of it, nor should you rub it in your eyes.
It's very hard to say if it actually causes cancer, since the type it reportedly causes it causes by about a million things, among them, almost every pesticide and herbicide from the generations before round-up (and potentially after, but we don't know yet). Since it commonly manifests in older people, it's very hard to tell if a random farmer got it from round-up, another pesticide, or just bad luck.
What we DO know is that plants grown with round-up have no effect on consumers, and when used properly, has less severe effects than alternatives.
But if you're in the habit of mixing roundup with your bare hands, and spraying it in shorts and flip flops, you should probably stop doing that.
F’real. I’d like to know what alternate timeline has more deaths: the one where, going forward, we continue our modern farming practices as-is; the other, we ban them and revert to only organic farming.
I’d bet cancer deaths per calorie of food produced would be roughly the same…organic farming being both less efficient and not a guarantee in itself that pesticides/herbicides are safer for humans. And l, being less efficient, I’d wager we’d hit famine simply by not having enough good farming land to meet dietary needs.
And who is getting cancer? Mostly farmers that are too lazy/proud to don PPE, and migrant workers who aren’t provided it. In either case it takes a lot of intentional, repeated, unprotected direct exposure. Joe Public isn’t gonna get cancer spraying his poison ivy or even his tomato’s.
While i think that link is more correct, it is hard to take it serious when they call it a pesticide.
It is a pesticide?
No, it is a herbicide. Those are very different things and no farmer would ever mess this up.
Herbicides, fungicides, and insecticides are all pesticides used in agriculture.
Herbicide is a subset of pesticides where the pests are herbs. You're thinking of insecticide where the pest is an insect. Pesticide is the broad term that encompasses both insecticides and herbicides.
A. I'm not a farmer, I'm a scientist. B. All herbicides are pesticides... look it up. It's like how all horses are mammals but not all mammals are horses
Did you focus group that hot water line?
Wait, is this your focus group? If so, it sucks.
Do you wanna present an actual argument or just whine because reality doesn't suit you?
No I want to ridicule you for saying ridiculous shit. You are ridiculous.
Edit: keep the downvotes rolling clown 🤡🤡🤡
Ok so no real argument, just whining. Lucky you, having been told to believe all the right stuff while others were told wrong.
Can we stop spreading this bullshit anti-tobacco propaganda? educate yourselves
You wanna know what else has been linked to cancer, and with actual good evidence for it? Hot water🙄
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if you don't like a post, that's what the downvote is for. this ain't some paid moderator board. volunteering?