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18 States Sue to Stop Trump’s Birthright Citizenship Order (www.nytimes.com)
submitted 2 days ago by silence7@slrpnk.net to c/politics@lemmy.world
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The 14th amendment starts off:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside

Which makes any attempt to make people born in the US not be citizens like this simply unconstitutional. Documentation of birth in the US is pretty much the only proof of citizenship that most Americans have, so getting rid of this puts every non-immigrant American's citizenship in doubt.

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[–] Cool_Name@lemm.ee 79 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I like to ask people who want to be tough on immigration, if you were arrested right now and accused of not being a citizen could you prove that you are?

Address, Drivers License, SSN? Non citizens can have all of those. A passport should work if you have one, but if you don't have it on you, you might be detained for a long time before you can get it and prove your citizenship.

Now, under the EO even having your birth certificate won't cut it. You'd need to prove one of your parents was a citizen. So what? We're all going to walk around with a family tree of birth certificates?

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Exactly this. And we all know who will have to "prove" their citizenship. It won't be the white people, just in case someone needs to hear it.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I have a certificate of naturalization, so it's probably easier for me to prove my citizenship than it is for someone born in the USA (to citizen parents).

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago

They might not care, depending on your skin color.

[–] BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I do too, but I don't carry it on me. Been wanting to get a passport, but I don't like the idea of being without it for the time the process takes. Did you know that it is the only original copy, and you cannot get another one issued?

[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

The ol reliable

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago

Nah it'll get changed to "if three or four grandparents are non-citizens".

And people still won't see parallels.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm hiring Chaucer to forge some patents of nobility.

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

... And the protector of noble virginity... kryptoniannnnnncoooooodemonkey!

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Those are quite literally walking papers/freedom papers which often came with a tattoo or brand.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Trump's argument:

If someone is not here legally, then the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" doesn't apply to them. Their kids aren't citizens.

I guess now he has to explain how he can deport people who aren't "subject to the jurisdiction".

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How the fuck does NYT write an article like this and not mention what the eighteen states are.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They linked to a copy of the filing which lists all parties to the lawsuit, including 18 states, DC, and the city and county of San Francisco.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

I guess my objection is that a copy editor found it meaningful to specifically say there were eighteen states... they didn't say "multiple" or something else vague.

If the fact that there are eighteen is important than what those eighteen are is important.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I no longer believe we have a government that will enforce any judgment that is not aligned with Trump's agenda. That's right, my confidence in our institutions no longer exists. Always a good sign for any nation.

Thanks DNC, shoulda thought about this before you told Kamala to try for R votes instead of D ones. Too late now; we all have to suffer for your hubris.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thanks DNC, shoulda thought about this before you told Kamala to try for R votes instead of D ones. Too late now; we all have to suffer for your hubris.

Yep, this really doesn't get repeated often enough around here, but we're going to keep losing to these fascist shitheads so long as those corrupt liberal assholes have a death grip on the party and refuse to let progressive leadership take over. It's been blatantly obvious since 2016 that this was the case but all the propaganda machines for Democratic and Republican party voters have been doing everything they can to hide this very obvious and repeatedly demonstrated fact.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

💯

And we already have evidence they have learned nothing. https://newrepublic.com/article/189500/pelosi-aoc-oversight-committee-democrats

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Fuck you. Blame the people actually doing the horrific shit: The Republicans.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Plenty of blame to go around. The people who voted Trump, the people who didn't vote, and the people who told Kamala to tack to the right. And the DOJ that spent four years making rude noises about prosecuting Trump and little else.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago

The DNC party establishment absolutely snatched defeat from the jaws of victory here. The republicans are absolute psychopaths, but the DNC deserves a shitload of blame for basically refusing to take the threat seriously and using an absolutely idiotic strategy.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Yayyyy 18 good guys. That's 18 good things that happened.

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why do borders even exist?

[–] Cool_Name@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

To enforce inequality and keep people subjected to unjust laws.