even if something like this doesn’t pass, who would stop trump if he tried to run for a third term? i thought that there was already good reason to disqualify him on the grounds of treason this past election, and nobody stopped him. it seems to me like the government will be much more openly corrupt in 4 years. so i’m not hopeful about there being anyone to enforce these sorts of laws by then.
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I can't help but agree.
Didn't even wait a week.
Anyone with a brain knew this was coming. So that rules out the majority of Americans.
Hey cool, Obama can run against Trump to really rile up all the bases.
/s
Strangely enough the asshole thought of that. You can only be elected twice consecutively. This rule was written specifically for Trump.
This is a goddamn cult.
"nor be elected to any additional term after being elected to two consecutive terms"
The exact wording that disqualifies Obama
This is pandering if the democrats don't filibuster this then it only shows government was never for the people
As so it starts
Trump won't be for just 4 more years
Assuming he lives that long.
I'm not convinced they'd drum up the votes to pass this. However I've seen crazier shit happen in the US.
The moment this passes is the moment there needs to be some national signal. A general srike. Mass protests and a worker slow down. Immediate lasting demonstrations in congress. Increased and immediate damage to the profits of the tech oligarchs that have supported Trump. Something.
This isn't Germany in WW2. The US is the hegemony. Only US citizens can stop this in an organized effort.
I think a general strike could be the absolute most effective form of nonviolent resistance. Unfortunately, I have no idea how a nationwide general strike could possibly be organized. How do you get a couple hundred million American workers to even agree to do it, let alone actually do it? I know some people would respond that you don't need all workers, just enough of them, but, while even just 10% of workers striking could have a huge impact, people aren't going to direct the anger they feel about the resulting disruptions at the top, they'll direct it toward those workers.
I mean I'd likely instantly be fired and lose my house, healthcare, car, so would my wife and so would all my colleagues and their families (right to work state).
I know from the end of year state of company address the company has enough funds to last 4 months without any income whatsoever, an easy time period to replace us all with scabs, especially if they have no payroll to worry about.
When facing literal homelessness that would take maybe decades to recover from, I'd have to think very carefully about whether I'm willing to make that sacrifice on behalf of the health of a political system of a country where I'm not a citizen.
Honestly, the best kind of "survive but strike" would literally be to buy the bare minimum everything. I've already started myself. Cancel streaming services, get a cheap $20/mon cell phone plan, downgrade to the cheapest Internet connection, drive less to buy less gas. Everyone do everything in their power to spend as little as possible, collectively, across the entire country. That punches those shits in the "economy" while collectively we still mostly survive. It also means you will have a surplus of money to save up, or pay down debts faster.
The one thing to truly make this succeed, however, is an advertising campaign to let them know we are all doing it. Billboards, ads on every DC TV/radio/stream/podcast, robocalls and emails to every government official that this won't stop until they get their heads out of their collective asses. That part would take some capital.
The best part of the advertising campaign is it's basically reverse-propaganda. As more people see it, more people will start doing it.
Edit: The propaganda should be designed to look like the US propaganda from WWII like “buy wisely - cook carefully - eat it all” to enhance the gravity of the situation.
If that doesn't work, and it comes down to full-on fascism, it isn't going to matter if your family has a home or not, because we're all collectively fucked.
All true. It's a complete dead end. A nice idea, but not realistic.
people aren't going to direct the anger they feel about the resulting disruptions at the top, they'll direct it toward those workers.
People already direct the anger they feel towards democrats and minorities, so this isn't that big of a deal, IMO.
The bigger challenge will be getting people who barely have any money as it is to actively participate in not making money. It just isn't gonna happen. People are too broke to focus on anything else yet. Frankly, people aren't desperate enough.
They won't. There hasn't been a popular armed resistance group since the Black Panthers, and they weren't popular either. It's more likely the rest of the world will have to team up with Russia and China to fight the Western Axis powers.
Well, it depends on how conflicted his own supporters would be. I have to assume there are a good number of 2A defenders who would take issue with this. Certainly a good chunk of them subsist on the koolaid at this point, but each extreme decision like this is the line for at least some of his base.
If Obama had done the same thing, Jan 6th would have happened much earlier.
I have family in the UK who support Trump and thought Jan 6th was staged by antifa. There is little that can make them conflict their brainwashing, they just keep pushing that line further and further which inevitably leads to justifying atrocities as they do it.
If Obama had done the same thing, Jan 6th would have happened much earlier.
Wdym?
If Obama had tried to take a third term, trumpers (tea partyers at the time) would have literally rioted.
Ah yes, indeed.
I don't see that going well for anyone.
The only way forward I see is shutting off trade which is doubtful due to the strength of the American dollar. Or a general strike by citizens which is also unlikely due to the price of food and housing.
The US would be in a defensive war in what you describe. And since the US Nuclear program is properly funded and the warheads are inspected and maintained on a very rigid schedule I have little doubt there will be a positive outcome for that.
There is no violent solution to this. There's 300 years of entrenched efforts against it. It would be a decline like the Ottomans, where vassal states migrate away and begin forming their own external economic ties.
Look at the collapse of communism in Russia, the USSR and Warsaw Pact. They had nukes too, their leadership was arguably as brutal and inhumane as that in the US now, and much more deeply entrenched. Yet they were overthrown.
People power is a thing. Don't pretend it's impossible, that's just the learned helplessness message they keep pounding into your head.
One thing that would be an appallingly bad idea would be to ally with either Russia or China in attacking the US. If they were to win, it'd be even worse. The leadership of both those countries makes the American psychopathic kakistrocrats look positively benign.
I agree with you, that's why in my first comment I'm suggesting a general strike which is power of the people. The comment I replied to was saying that other countries would end fascism in America through war. I highlighted why that wouldn't work.
If thats the story of the future you believe, then that's what you'll get. I prefer to believe in an option that'll solve it sooner, nukes be damned, I dare them to nuke the world they so depend on for power. If only we could start telling ourselves a better, more realistic story of humanity instead of a pessimistic one. Not saying it's gonna be pretty, but neither is 300 years of technofascism. You want reality to become that movie 'Equilibrium'? That's how you get reality to become that movie 'Equilibrium.' And if there aren't any Grammaton Clerics to save you now there won't be then.
Well, that took exactly no time at all.
This one probably won't even be brought up for a vote. The administration is too new and hasn't fully taken power throughout the federal government. But then they'll introduce it again later, and it will get some votes that everyone will think is just the extreme cultist representatives. Then they'll do it again, and some "mainstream" (if that can even really be applied to current Republicans) will vote on it. But that's "just performative". We know they're just doing it because their base wants it and it won't pass so it's ok, no need to get worked up about it. Then after waves of right wing propaganda justifying it as "not that bad an idea" and the leadership counts their votes, they'll introduce it again and it will pass.
We spent years and years dismissing the attacks on abortion and pretending the people making them were just performing. Then the court killed Roe and now there's a lot of very serious efforts to enact all those things.
They are speedrunning everything, it seems.
Almost like someone wrote a plan for this. Something he could use as a guide on 2025. So probably just this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleichschaltung
The firehose of bullshit.
Don't be distracted by everything happening along the edge. Find the control points and disable those.
Ikr? I was painting a worst case scenario to my spouse yesterday and added "and don't think it would be over in 4 years - the whole point is to stop democracy, so I guarantee in a year or two there will be a bullshit excuse and bam! More years of Trump as a "wartime president" or some other shit"
Not even a fucking week...
Can we get the revolution started now?