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[–] Oz0ne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Testing it out and it defaults to 720p30 (30fps I assume). When I switch it to 1080p60, video playback begins to freeze/lag. So, sticking with revamced for now.

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This seems to be a problem with every third-party YouTube client. NewPipe, LibreTube, and Piped all have the same issue for me. They desperately need better buffering logic. I suspect Google is doing something on their end to make this harder than it needs to be.

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Didn't have an issue with NewPipe.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Newpipe is pretty slick, probably the best non revanced solution.

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Been testing GrayJay since yesterday. It's also open source but a bit better since it supports subscriptions and more sources.

[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

As far as I remember, if the client does not say "hello" in a proper way, YT will limit the bandwidth to the point it's unwatchable. It sometimes affect NewPipe and Kodi.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

There is a setting for the default quality for unmetered and metered connections.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 11 months ago (17 children)

I watched that earlier. Seems promising. I like that it's open source but restricted enough that they can (at least try to) shut down anyone who forks it specifically to add ads or trackers. And it must be getting some interest because I haven't been able to get the site to load yet.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 37 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It isn't open source, the licence violates point six of the open source definition

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

And violates point 1 The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources. .... commercial distribution is forbidden in the license.

And violates point 3 The license must allow modifications and derived works, and must allow them to be distributed under the same terms as the license of the original software.

and violates point 4 Integrity of The Author’s Source Code no patch files are explicitly allowed_

and point 6 - you already covered

the futo license in question: https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/-/raw/master/LICENSE?ref_type=heads

[–] ayaya@lemdro.id 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This would definitely fall under the "source-available" category.

[–] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's definitely FOSS. (Fake Open Source Software)

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[–] vector_zero@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The source is available on their gitlab instance, so whether it not it conforms to some specific definition of open source, the source code is readily available for anyone to view and modify.

[–] twotone@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

modify

Nope, the license forbids that.

This is source available

[–] vector_zero@lemmy.world -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Do you have a quote from the license to prove that? Louis Rossman himself said we're free to grab the code and edit it.

[–] Rednax@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

The quote: "Subject to the terms of this license, we grant you a non-transferable, non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free license to access and use the code solely for the purposes of review, compilation and non-commercial distribution."

Source: Section 2.1 of https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/-/raw/master/LICENSE?ref_type=heads

[–] thisfro@slrpnk.net 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That is one definition of open source

I agree that it is great to meet all these criteria, but especially restricting commercial use is a pretty reasonable thing to do

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I would say that Open Source, by any definition of the word, does have the assumption that you are allowed to modify and publish what you create at least in some form or another, even if it would be under a non-commercial clause or a license with other requirements.

When the licence explicitly says all you are allowed to do is access the code "solely for the purposes of review, compilation and non-commercial distribution", that's not open source.

[–] thisfro@slrpnk.net 2 points 11 months ago

When the licence explicitly says all you are allowed to do is access the code "solely for the purposes of review, compilation and non-commercial distribution", that's not open source.

I'd say that is open source. But not free and open source

[–] twotone@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

OSI's definition is the oldest and original definition. It's decades old at this point.

It's source available, nothing more.

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[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

the site works fine for me.

The problem I encounter is, that loading the subscriptions from youtube triggered a crawler detection on youtubes side, and I currently can't load anything that is by YT. Bit annoying

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 months ago

the site works fine for me

Interesting. Must be my internet as I've tried on multiple machines and I get a timeout.

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[–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

https://piped.video/watch?v=5DePDzfyWkw

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This send to be quite heavily marketed on here. So many threads on this app throughout my feed.

I dislike the use of a YouTube video over a web page, but that might just me being old fashioned

[–] WallEx@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah most apps are just webpages in a wrapper, so maybe they're going to do that.

It's even the same on desktop, like the discord, twitch or teams apps.

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