Tldr: Nobody wants them, because they fear they will bring hamas with them and because they are a political tool against Israel.
Its seriously f*d up.
this post was submitted on 19 Oct 2023
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A friend from Lebanon basically explained to me the exact same thing, it's not that they don't want Palestinians, it's that they know Hamas will 100% enter Lebanon as refugees, and add to that the centuries old conflict between Shia and Sunni Muslims (Hezbollah is Shia while Hamas is Sunni) and you have your answer.
Thought Hamas was shia too since they work with Iran so much
Yeah that's a bit counterintuitive but perfectly makes sense when you remember that Hamas originated from the Muslim Brotherhood, which is Sunni.
Well why are they working with Iran then? I though Muslim Brotherhood types tended to align with the Erdogan wing of Turkey's politics given that they're trying to replicate that muslim reaganism kind of vibe.
Well why are they working with Iran then?
A case of "the enemy of my enemy is also my friend". That they're too different ideologically doesn't mean they can't work together when they're not on the same soil.
This is from the article, so nowhere near your tl:dr
After fighting stopped in the 1948 war, Israel refused to allow refugees to return to their homes. Since then, Israel has rejected Palestinian demands for a return of refugees as part of a peace deal, arguing that it would threaten the country’s Jewish majority.
Yes it's a terrible tldr if you get into nit and grit of it. :)
I can say that Palestinians are being used by islamist groups since the beginning of time and those groups care more for the destruction of Israel than anything else, including having a country named palestina.
That's fair. Kind of the same way as Afghanis and Iraqis have been used by Western nations to overthrow gov'ts that don't want to make oil deals with said Western nations.
It's a game that costs innocent lives, no matter who the players are.
Only that one is exploitation for practical reasons, one is religious. The first can be negotiated, the second cannot.
This conflict cannot be solved by the west, Israel, or anyone else, but the Palestinians and for many decades they were pushed by hamas and Israel together to not go into direction of peace.
pRaCtIcAl rEaSoNs
Maybe not the correct word for the situation, but I'm sure the meaning is there.
Their refusal is rooted in fear that Israel wants to force a permanent expulsion of Palestinians into their countries and nullify Palestinian demands for statehood.
Aaand... They are right.
They're being very self-serving. They're essentially cooperating with Israel to hold Palestinians hostage while claiming they're looking out for the long-term interests of the hostages. They just don't want refugees or the terrorists who would come with them, and they're trying to dress it up as more than that.
Well, Hamas continuing the fight from the other side of the Egyptian border, which would be expected, would just draw Egypt into the fight
Accepting the refugees is tantamount to advertising your land the new battleground, cuz Israel totes wouldn't lob missiles at refugees amirite?
Israel's already genocided a dozen times more casualties than they took, they need to chill the fuck out.
"Their refusal is rooted in fear that Israel wants to force a permanent expulsion of Palestinians into their countries and nullify Palestinian demands for statehood"
This line in the article is important to remember.
I struggle to think of too many times any country has welcomed all refugees with open arms. Any refugees, from any conflict, fleeing to anywhere.
We should stop making refugees and forcibly displacing people, everyone loses. We already have 108 million forcibly displaced peoples, and 40% are kids globally.
It's gonna get much, much worse thanks to climate change.
For sure. Which is why we need to figure it out now before we use up what resources we have left on making and shipping yet more bombs and tanks. I can't even begin to imagine the carbon footprint of that.
Despite what the white folks have tried, America has typically been incredibly welcoming to refugees and diasporites.
It's actually one of the biggest chips on Israel's shoulder, because while America was never perfect for jews, it was better enough than everywhere else that jews who made it here outright rejected the notion that jews cannot be "safe" without a "homeland."
I mean, sure, but that's a lot easier said than done
So are most complex problems or worthwhile efforts. I'd love a simple working solution just for once too, but no, situations got to be all contextual and nuanced and shit.
For Jordan there's the added paranoia that Palestinian refugees were the source point of one of their kings getting assassinated after he began making moves to recognize Israel
Did everyone forget the 8 million refugees the Iraq and Afghanistan war created?
Because they're hateful shitheads.