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I've been backing up to a dedicated hard disk within the same server for all my backups in case my disks fail. And as I run more and more services, the concern of disks failures grow bigger.

I'm looking for a cheapish off-site backup solution and I'm just curious what everyone does for their 3-2-1 backup solutions.

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[–] KitchenNo2246@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I have a borg server in the office that takes backups of all my servers. Each server stores their applications backup that gets pulled into the repo. On top of that, the borg server pushes the backup to rsync.net.

All of this is monitored by my Zabbix server

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Honestly, I don't. The vast majority of my data is just stuff like Linux ISOs that I could download again. Important documents and stuff like that take up so little space that I just keep them in Google Drive. Most of my personal project work is on GitHub. And while neither of those are technically backups, it's not a tragic loss if I accidentally delete everything.

[–] solstice@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah it's weird, 10+ years ago or so I feel like I had SO MUCH DATA and it was always an issue. Now I really don't have anything. A few gigs of photos I guess, some various files, but that's it. I guess I used to have a lot more media like movies and porn, which I don't really need anymore.

[–] Freesoftwareenjoyer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you at least encrypt those documents?

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[–] FineWolf@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Restic to Wasabi.

I used to use Backblaze B2, until I did the maths on how much it would cost me to restore. B2 storage is cheap yes, but the egress is so fucking expensive. It would have cost me hundreds.

Wasabi storage is equally cheap, and restoring won't cost me an arm and a leg.

I use the following scripts for Restic: https://gitlab.com/finewolf-projects/restic-wrapper-scripts

[–] d4nm3d@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

wasabi is cheaper than B2 unless...

  • you store less than 1TB (they charge for a minimum of 1TB even if you store nothing)
  • you pay for any data you upload for 90 days minimum.. so if you upload 500GB and then delete it within 90 days, you're paying for it for the duration anyway..
  • You can only download the same amount as you store in a month without incurring egress costs.

The 3 points above are how they can not charge egress for the majority of people.

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[–] neilo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Backblaze will ship you a drive up to 8TB with your restore data on it. You pay a $189 fee which includes shipping and handling and serves as a deposit to guarantee the drive while it’s in your hands. They refund the deposit when they get the drive back. Or you can keep the drive if you like.

[–] sudneo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I use restic/borg (depending on servers) and push to a bunch of S3 buckets on Backblaze. This applies to my desktop, my NAS and in general my non-Kubernetes data.

For Kubernetes I wrote a small tool that...well does the same for PVCs. Packs up the data with restic (soon I hope to migrate to rustic, once the library gets polished) and pushes to Backblaze.

To give an idea of the pricing, for 730GB, with daily backups or more, I pay approximately $5 a month.

[–] celipon@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Restic is fantastic. It's just one binary, has support for various cloud services (including Backblaze which I use as well), snapshots which can be mounted with FUSE. It's really quite useful. Borg I believe is similar?

Either way, I feel like today there is no reason to use awkward rsync solutions when better tools are out that have proven themselves.

[–] Kata1yst@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] VerifiablyMrWonka@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Came here to comment this "obscure" combination. That I use. Lol

Kopia is a solid bit of software. I run it on my VPS's, my homelab and my desktop/laptops. All to a single Backblaze repo.

[–] SirMaple_@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (10 children)

I have a 2 x 8TB in RAID1 NAS at a family members house and I also have an OVH dedicated server with 2 x 480GB in RAID1 and 2 x 8TB in RAID1. I use rclone for my backups and keep deleted files for 30 days on the NAS and 120 days on the OVH dedicated server. Both the NAS and server connect back to my home network using WireGuard.

The OVH dedicated server also runs numerous virtual machines that host websites as well as backups of my netbox and mediawiki instance I run at home(they sync nightly).

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[–] Shortcake@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

i use duplicati to back up configs and data for docker containers to 2 cloud services. my 8 TB server is almost maxed. i need funds to buy a backup for that and expand.

I know synology (and others probably) have an app where you can back up your data to your friends NAS and vice versa, but that's taking up their storage too and cost for HDD/SSD may be prohibitive

[–] Linuturk@lemmy.onitato.com 3 points 2 years ago

Backblaze B2 sync from my NAS. All my client computers use ayncthing or Nextcloud to the NAS.

[–] hoodlem@hoodlem.me 3 points 2 years ago
  • Backblaze B2
  • External hard drives at a friend's house
  • M-Discs, copies at home and a friend's house
[–] d3lta19@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Like many others here, I back up all important data from my Truenas to B2. Have a couple hundred gigs. It's like 2 bucks a month.

[–] HolyDriver@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ah yes automated backups, on my to-do which I'll hopefully do before a failure (famous last words). People talking about backblaze b2. I just looked. Why not use the personal one? The one computer would just be the Nas if using it for cold storage/redundancy?

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[–] mike@werm.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Locally I have a mix of SnapRAID and mirroring across 2 servers. Then I use restic to backup select directories/files into Backblaze B2 cloud storage.

edit: I also have a local Time Machine backup server and Backblaze unlimited personal computer backup for my Mac.

[–] easeKItMAn@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Define which data is from value. I got 68TB of data but realistically only 3 TB are from such value I maintain several copies (Raspi + SSD) and online backup. The rest of data is stored on a cheap server build at a family member and synchronized twice a year. Make sure your systems and drives are all encrypted. And test your backups and redeployment strategy.

[–] MrNorm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I use S3 sync via the cli and use lifecycle policies to manage number of snapshots and deletion.

Some cool options for moving files to different tiers like cold and glacier but I don't know enough about it or the retrieval costs to use it just yet

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[–] dmtalon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Backblaze, move everything u want to an external attached hdd and then back that up with the backblaze client

[–] mook71@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I've never considered off-site storage. You got me thinking

[–] shrugal@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I run a Synology NAS and use their backup solution Synology C2. It's e2e encrypted, pretty affordable and well integrated into the system, so it was basically a one-click setup. Also, they keep old versions for 30 days, but only the most recent versions count towards your quota, which makes the space usage very predictable.

[–] irdc@derp.foo 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I use syncthing to synchronise my collection of important stuff between my laptop, local server and VPS. My laptop then gets backed-up to an USB SSD using Time Machine. Granted, it’s not a proper backup, but it’s better than nothing.

For my photo collection I burned it to a BluRay (M-disc) and asked my SO to store it at work.

[–] dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

My home "offsite" backup is a second NAS at my parents house. I plan on getting two identical NASes with identical storage setup and let them replicate themselves automatically, but no money for that now.

I don't do 3 2 1, I do 3 1 1

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

2 spare drives and a safe deposit box ($10/yr). Swap the bank box once a month or so. My upstream bandwidth isn't enough to make cloud saves practical, and if anything happens, retrieving the drive is faster than shipping a replacement, nevermind restoring from cloud.

Of course, my system is a few TB, not a few dozen.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

2 spare drives and a safe deposit box ($10/yr). Swap the bank box once a month or so. My upstream bandwidth isn't enough to make cloud saves practical, and if anything happens, retrieving the drive is faster than shipping a replacement, nevermind restoring from cloud.

Of course, my system is a few TB, not a few dozen.

[–] gubxuhki@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Do you have any family or friends that are willing to let a small NAS sit around somewhere? Or host a friends backup and return they host your backup? For me, this approach works well and is probably as cheap as it can get. To just backup some data over the internet, any cheap old NAS will do. I have an old NAS sitting at my parents and just manually turn it on when I'm visiting. A small startup script runs rsync without further interaction and shuts down when finished.

[–] zer0@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago

restic hourly backup to external SSD + idrive e2

[–] binwiederhier@discuss.ntfy.sh 2 points 2 years ago

Hetzner storage box, and just rsync. It takes care of snapshotting via auto snapshots. I costs like $20 for 1T I think. But there are cheaper options yoo

[–] surfrock66@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Crashplan can't tell the difference between local folders and NFS mounts, and they have an unlimited size backup plan per device for like $10/month. I have 1 device with NFS mounts from many desktops and my Nas. About 9TB.

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[–] rs5th@lemmy.scottlabs.io 1 points 2 years ago

I’ve got two synology NASes. My current backup strategy is to backup everything between the two NASes so I have two copies of everything locally. Then I back up documents, photos, pretty much everything except TV shows and movies to Backblaze.

[–] misterhuh@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I have a local backup only drive for pictures and critical laptop backups and use rsync nightly. I also do rsync nightly to Backblaze for pictures. Figure if I can grab the drive I will have it stored offsite.

[–] owldyn@snuv.win 1 points 2 years ago

I run a Windows 10 vm that shares a drive with samba, I borg/kopia backup everything to it, and it runs the backblaze client which then backs up to Backblaze personal backup.

[–] tath@social.tath.link 1 points 2 years ago

Urbackup for workstations, and Proxmox Backup Server for my 2 Proxmox hosts.

Both configured with borg backups to rsync.net.

I haven't configured it yet, but I am planning on using rsync.net for my Synology as well (Which is mostly archive storage)

[–] mlaga97@lemmy.mlaga97.space 1 points 2 years ago

Systems backup to NAS via restic

NAS restic repo is stored online on a dedicated internal drive, which is mirrored to an external drive (normally kept offline in a safe when not bein synced), and offsite is a 3rd copy to Backblaze B2 using rclone.

[–] Gourd@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I've got a Tarsnap account backing up my especially important data every night, which is admittedly only a couple of gigabytes of scans of important documents, hard to replace files, etc. It's doing snapshot-style backup with a backup for every day in the last week, every week of the last month, every month of the last year, and the last three years. Paying less than a dollar a month for it, so it's working out.

That stuff also gets rsync'd each night onto my NAS, which has its own automated LVM snapshot system going on along the same lines, and I'm using syncthing to mirror it onto my other PCs as a final last-ditch backup (and in case I need it elsewhere). Finally, there's an external hard drive I keep manual backups on every once in a while.

Larger datasets that aren't really stuff I want to pay for on the cloud (14 TB worth) just get stored on the NAS and a drawer full of external hard drives. Not ideal, but it's just way too much data.

My server is now up to 100 and something tb of storage. About 50% used. Raid 6. (Yes raid isn’t a backup. I know) Mainly media. Movies, tv, music, Books/audiobooks.

I’ve separated our media storage vs OS.

I only backup my OS and configs. It goes to an on-site nas.

If my media library dies, I’ll just slowly re-download what people want.

If I lose my os, I have one backup, other wise I’m off to work rebuilding that too.

I’m happy to pay for iCloud at this stage to backup and store sentimental or critical things.

✌️💛

[–] sylverstream@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm using AWS S3. I've got a script on my RPI that runs daily and uses the AWS CLI to sync my photos etc to there, and stores it as Glacier storage.

It's about US$9 per month for 800GB of storage, at that time it was the cheapest and most convenient.

You can get a 1TB storage box at hetzner.com for €3.81 per month. For about €13 you get 5TB. I was on S3 first and moved to the 1TB box because it's significantly cheaper.

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