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Has anyone done this? Its a very proprietary program lol, so I can imagine that doesnt work.

But its powerful and my Uni supports it. I am fine with just following classes on Uni PCs and then learning QGis myself, but yeah...

Are there any tricks for running "modern", maybe DRM infested Software?

Also, how I did it was always just running executables in existing Bottles, as I dont get having a new small OS for each app. But that doesnt seem to work that well in Bottles.

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[–] mossy_capivara@midwest.social 13 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I've gone that road and I'll tell you that making a windows virtual machine is much less of a headache. I'd recommend using qemu/kvm over something like virtualbox because otherwise it won't be very usable

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yeah thats an entirely different thing. My GPU is weird and virt-manager doesnt work, while OpenGL enabled VMs are nice and smooth but had other problems with the correct viewer and all...

Asked ChatGPT for every damn parameter or viewer, user virt-viewer, remote-viewer, VNC, some GTK viewer.

[–] mossy_capivara@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

I don't do passthrough on my windows VM, since I'm not doing 3D work it still works with qxl

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

I have an AMD Ryzen 5 Pro 3500U, Radeon Vega Mobile Graphics.

No passthrough here I guess.

Distro is Fedora Kinoite, with virgl and all that layered

[–] lauha@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ISOmorph@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because of GPU passthrough

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unless things have changed, graphics card passthrough is tough to use because you need two graphics cards. The one sent to the VM can't be used on the host if you plan on using the guest. For laptops this can be impossible to reconcile, and even for desktops this can be... weird.

[–] d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually, things have changed - you can passthru with just a single GPU now, and for many users, it's actually more stable/reliable than a dual-GPU setup (as you do mention, it can be "weird"). There is a catch however, and that is of course you can't use/switch to your host OS while the guest is running, but that shouldn't be an issue anyways if you're going to be working out of the guest OS. There are scripts available that make this switchover automatic and seamless.

https://github.com/QaidVoid/Complete-Single-GPU-Passthrough

Here's a handy video that illustrated what this looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTWf5D092VY

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[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago

ESRI, the Microsoft or Adobe of Cartography. It's a shame that public authorities get convinced to pay double.

[–] unomar@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll chime in to say their "Enterprise Linux" support is (or at least WAS in 2015) merely a wine wrapper. That said, I strongly dislike ESRI and would recommend any number of open source alternatives.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Yes they suck for sure. Its just better to use currently as I dont have to recreate everything, as we pretty much sit there and get a GUI training lol

[–] mr_rusty_shackleford@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’d bail on ArcGIS. It’s expensive and QGIS does everything you could possibly need to do without the price tag, or the windows dependency. If you know ArcGIS, Q will feel very familiar.

[–] Snowplow8861@lemmus.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does it connect to the same arcgis BIM servers so I can work with my coworkers, in real architecture projects?

[–] mr_rusty_shackleford@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t work in the architecture space, but a quick search gave me some guidance on how to integrate BIM models in QGIS. The 3D City Builder plug in might do what you need.

[–] Snowplow8861@lemmus.org 1 points 1 year ago

Mm, not quite, when say having 60+staff work in a single building model you need something that allows object locking so stag can work on part of a building and check it in and out.

I'm not the architect, I'm the sysadmin that designs and builds the server/network infrastructure for a half dozen architecture firms, some which have over 300 architects spread around Australia, Europe, and south East Asia. That mostly means running up servers to host BIM and BIM cache servers, as well as maintaining PIM servers.

To be honest I quizzed you because I honestly never heard of it and my life revolves around both revit and bim360, revit and revit self hosted bim servers, or archicad. Not that I do anything much in them, BIM managers generally administrate their own BIM instances and their teams. But some of the projects are in the billions of dollars that you'll find on featured on the b1m YouTube channel.

Id argue that while the architects themselves are by and far the largest cost, the largest IT cost is the modelling software. I've even had some people using unreal engine to do parts of their work now especially for customer facing flythrough demonstrations and city view with time of day and all that.

So I'm pretty open minded to keeping my ears open to new software since I'm never sure what to expect. It would be interesting to see if it could ever be possible to do one of these megaprojects in open source. But my gut says it's unlikely.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you have links for alternative resources for data, overlays etc? And does all the coding stuff work similarly?

Yes I hate this seminar. Its basically Microsoft/ArcGis advertising, so horrible

[–] mr_rusty_shackleford@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They have plug-ins for web tiles, and you can connect to the ArcGIS map services. It has a terminal, but I don’t use that function much. I generally do all data manipulation and prep using Python and postGIS, and use Q as a visualization and editing tool. But it has plugins for just about everything. Most of the data resources ESRI gives you is repackaged public data, so searching the internet will provide you with most of the layers you might need.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Esri is such a piece of shit. The same as Komoot, but corporate. How can they make so much money by reusing loosely licensed FOSS stuff?

I dont know, I think these projects made a big mistake using so loose licenses

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you need to work with their FGDB format you can do that in newer versions of QGIS

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Luckily not! Only shb or how its called.

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

shp? I’d recommend learning QGIS regardless, even if its ui looks like 💩

Good luck in your search!

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Shapefiles or something, will work in QGIS. Yeah no way I am gonna use that proprietary cancer

[–] beanson@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Obligatory switch from shapefile link.

Unfortunately Shapefile is a proprietary format developed by ESRI. QGIS handles it just fine though no problems.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Urg... thanks! I will just have to send this to my Prof and see his reaction, weird Microsoft-Corporate-beard-lightblueshirt-dude

[–] centof@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure what your use case is, but consider something like geojson.io if you can export the map data somehow. You might be able to do this from their interface or you might have to do browser network capturing to capture the requested data. It supports GeoJSON as well as KML, GPX, CSV, GTFS, TopoJSON formats.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Qgis has Openstreetmaps data source, but I was thinking of custom community based layers like "all wildfires in 2023" etc

[–] centof@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I see. With the link you should be able to query a geojson file that can then be imported into geojson.io. I used Query 'GLOBALID IS NOT null' to get the top 50 of 2000 results. That should give you a starting piont. The first link is just a way to query the data in this link

I'm unfamilar with Qgis but I have been able to import layers into geojson.io before from arcGIS.

[–] pathief@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

QGIS is a very nice piece of software, definitely worth checking out. Some of our geographers use Mapinfo (proprietary) but most use QGIS. Everyone hates ESRI.

Some of your classes might require some ESRI plugins... I would check with your teachers if it's okay to use QGIS, they will certainly know the answer to that question.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

I asked already and they said "use the Uni PCs but you can also do a presentation about QGIS"

[–] rhythmisaprancer@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I tried this for the same reasons about ten years ago (college, free, etc) and found it to be essentially an insurmountable challenge. It's a bummer since they support Linux in other ways.

Maybe it is easier now.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Hmm, could be easier and harder at the same time. DRM vs modern Wine

[–] Synthead@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A good place to start is Wine's AppDB on their website:

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1081 (replace & with just a &; Lemmy is replacing this without my control)

It looks like it's "garbage" quality. Someone very helpfully shared: "Program cannot run".

[–] _cnt0@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago

It looks like it's "garbage" quality.

To be fair, that's also true when running natively under Windows.