I guess this is approaching the "find out" phase.
VW/Audi group fucked around with emission tests, and they found out.
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They found out what? Their business wasn't affected at all as far as I can tell. They should have been broken up and shut down but instead they got caught doing the same thing AGAIN.
So yeah, not sure what Tesla is going to find out other than "money means you can get away with anything", which Musk already knows well.
And just to be clear, I own a Tesla. I just got it back from the shop after ELEVEN MONTHS because those fucking tools would rather sell more cars on false promises than divert some parts to repair the cars they've already sold. I love that car but I'm selling it. Nobody should go anywhere near Tesla cars until they get their supply chain shit together.
Did they loan you another car during that time, or were you stuck paying on a car you couldn't use for 11 months? I'd consider suing if it was the latter.
It was absolutely the latter. And I absolutely would sue if I didn't have serious health issues (hello, cancer!) to deal with instead. It takes a lot of time and effort to deal with something like that, and that's just not in the cards right now.
I'm sorry about your condition. Beat the shit out of it!
A lot of businesses get away with shit, but the emissions scandal did lead to some big fines and criminal investigations into the upper most management level.
Yes, they found out that there's no real drawback to falsifying statements.
"If you tell our customers we misled them, that would be bad for our business!"
For a "genius", he sure is slow on the uptake.
He sure is lucky for someone so stupid.
I have to wonder if the entire concept of the business savvy billionaire is just a case of survivorship bias. Not for all of them, but a lot.
I mean, if you get the population of the civilized world together and have them start flipping coins, plenty of people are going to get heads 20 times in a row. Or if they’re from a rich family maybe they only have to get 10 heads in a row.
(Used round numbers for illustration. 20 heads in a row is only about 1 in a million, 10 heads is one in a thousand.)
So much of it is luck, starting from birth onwards.
Yep. I was going to write that maybe somebody like Warren Buffett would stand out as the real deal who is consistent and could do it again. But even if that’s true and he is 100% unique skill, he STILL got very lucky by birth.
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It's more like, it costs a lot of money to get a chance to flip those coins in the first place, so someone who's already rich to begin with will get many more tries.
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He warns? Does he now? I know that bashing journalists is a rightwing ting, but these dudes are really complicit in all of this shit. How the hell do you come up with that kind of headline? He warns
@MayonnaiseArch @Five This is why people argue government officials shouldn't hold individual stocks. He is hoping there are enough people in a position to gut the investigation who own a lot of Tesla stock.
Bingo! If accountability hurts the bottom line, then The Big Money will argue against accountability in any form.
Big Money got a mighty voice.
Big Money make no sound.
So, basically... "an investigation into whether we lied to customers in order to sell them stuff would have an impact on our business". Well, yeah, that's true. Shockingly, customers don't like being lied to about the quality of the goods they're buying, and hearing that there's enough indication of lying to warrant a full probe into it would make future customers hesitant to buy. While wrongdoing hasn't been proven yet, I can't imagine this probe would be happening "just in case" Tesla lied - there must have been a high volume of complaints from customers who aren't happy. The precedent set by not investigating would be awful. It'd basically say businesses can claim whatever they like about their products, because being caught lying about them would always have the consequence of "material adverse impact on our business".
If the truth about your business hurts your business, you don’t have a good business.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company (tesla) that does 50 billion in sales is NOT worth three times the value a company that does 250 billion (toyota)?
The Tesla valuation is such a fucking joke. They are a "bigger" company that Toyota, Honda, or Ford despite not even doing a fraction of their outright sales, and likely making less on every single one of those sales. Their only advantage is that they were making electric cars before it made economic sense to make them. Now that everyone else is jumping in they are going to die on the vine because people can get a real EV that costs half of a Tesla and actually works.
Tesla DID have a chance of leveraging their early market presence by either introducing a higher quality or cheaper vehicle that could compete with their new competitors. Their existing presence could have captured enough of the market to stand against them if they had a product that was in the same league. Instead they made the fucking Cybertruck.
"Well hey, now, let's not get hasty. If you investigate me for crimes, you will find that I committed crimes! That would be bad for mee. Is that really what you want?"
Yes, that is the point, Tesla.
IE "we lied, but don't tell nobody!"
Yeah that's how it works, you fucked around and something something
Well yeah buddy, that's why you used fraud to increase profits.
@Five Oh good.
What he means is that being found out for lying will impact how much people believe him.
Well no shit Sherlock.
Is that how that works? /s
You gave warning a whole new meaning.
@Five Most Si valley businesses are built on exaggerated claims. You don't work your way to wealth. You lie and pillage your way to it.
Looking forward to the mob using that as a legal defense.
This sounds a lot like a threat.
Oh no! Anyway.
Elon = moron*c^2
Tough shit.
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Tesla says it has received requests for information and subpoenas from the US Department of Justice related to potential personal benefits violations, the advertised range of its vehicles and personnel decisions.
The Wall Street Journal in September reported that federal prosecutors are investigating perks provided to Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk going back as far back as 2017, including a project described as a glass house for Musk.
Earlier this year, Reuters reported that Tesla had created a special “diversions team” to avoid dealing with complaints from customers about their vehicle ranges.
The filing warned of “the possibility of a material adverse impact on our business” should the government pursue an enforcement action.
The subpoenas add to a mounting number of government probes into the electric-vehicle maker.
In September, the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission sued Tesla alleging that it has been “tolerating widespread and ongoing racial harassment of its Black employees” at its Fremont, California, plant.
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