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[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 109 points 1 year ago (4 children)

No. Stop.

This is the definition of interrupting your enemy when they're making a mistake.

Let them kill windows 10, I have atleast 5 friends ready to switch to linux when Windows 10 hits EOL.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

I have Linux on all my machines except one crappy old laptop that had Windows 10. When they EOL Win10, I'll have to buy another one like that for those rare occasions when you need to run something that just won't work in Linux.

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[–] Romkslrqusz@lemm.ee 62 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Based on my conversations with my clients, it seems like the 2025 date is going to result in the greatest Linuxing of all time.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

as an avid multi-decades linux desktop user who has worked at a company with people in it before, i believe there is no way in fuck that this is true.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, I work in industrial automation and I don't see how it could be possible

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[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago

The year of the Linux desktop is upon us. The prophecy has been foretold by the sages of the code. A new dawn is on the horizon. A new era of freedom an power approaches as more and more disks are cleansed by the mighty forces set free by Stallmann and Torvalds. No more shall the users be enslaved by proprietary software and restrictive licenses.

The Year of the Linux Desktop is upon us, and nothing can stop it.

[–] weedwhacking@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Everyone knows Microsoft OSs are tick-tock anyway. The failed 11 will be superseded by a well received 12, and the cycle will continue. Can’t kill 10 until 12 is fully accepted. Like 10 and 7 before it.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I find this funny as I remember the first 5 years of Windows 10 be like everyone hates it because it's not Windows 7

[–] BudgieMania@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago

Well it was replacing the tile-silliness of Windows 8, any OS that booted would receive some goodwill in comparison

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I wouldn't count on that, if the rumor mill of windows 12 being a subscription model ends up true, it will be recieved far worse than 11 did.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This was never a thing. Someone took a blurb said by someone on a call, and ran with it. No one fact checked, no one looked at context. At least not until after the articles were out.

The subscription stuff has always been on the enterprise side. Hell, it’s available right now and you don’t see it on the consumer side.

In fact, 11 doesn’t even require activation. You can just install it, never activate, and continue to use it perpetually. How would the next step in their movement away from requiring consumer purchase be to charge monthly for access? Makes no damn sense right out the gate.

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[–] scottywh@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's been articles saying that's disproven and it's so far out I don't get why people are even talking about it at all yet really.

Editing to add the following link:

https://www.windowslatest.com/2023/10/16/no-windows-12-is-a-free-upgrade-and-wont-require-a-subscription/

[–] Romkslrqusz@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

failed 11

By what metric (other than clickbaity tech publication headlines)?

Every Windows release, even including “the good ones”, my repair shop has been inundated with requests to go back or post-upgrade troubleshooting work.

We’ve had none of that since 11’s release. The only botched upgrades were due to underlying hardware conditions and everyone else has been neutral at worst.

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 year ago (25 children)

Man, I'm just going to say it... I'm sick of all the Linux people saying it's the solution to all problems in computing. Can we not talk about anything else here on Lemmy? This article is about Windows.

[–] d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 18 points 1 year ago

I mean, this is platform which runs on Linux and embodies the same spirit which drives Linux forward - the collaborative power of opensource software. Is shouldn't come as a surprise that there's a heavy skew of Linux and opensource enthusiasts here. If you're sick of all the Linux talk here, feel free to move to a propriety forum, perhaps one with a red alien logo.

This article is about Windows.

The article is about Window 10 becoming EOL, and given how many people are put off by Windows 11, suggesting Linux as an alternative is a reasonable comment, IMO. Feel free to argue otherwise if you feel so strong against it.

[–] graymess@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

100%. I'm very happy for the people in the Linux community who have collectively supported a free and open source operating system that is effectively as good or better than the two leading OSs with massive billion dollar corporations behind them. That's unfathomably impressive, deserving of all this praise and, of course, should have wider adoption.

However

I've spent my entire life on Windows, my professional career on Mac OS, and the last dozen or so years with my phones running Android. I absolutely do not have the patience and free time to become fluent in another fucking operating system. And I've tried. On at least two occasions, I've attempted to run a media server on Linux. The experience was utterly fucking miserable and made me want to give up on technology and live in the woods. I have no doubt that I'd have a different outcome with better resources or more time to learn properly, but I'm done. Hopefully the successes of Linux drive change for the better in the other two. Linux doesn't need 100% adoption to make an impact on the way Microsoft and Apple develop their own systems.

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[–] cryptix@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As someone once told , windows 10 would be that last version of windows.(I like to keep it that way , at least for me😅).

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 1 year ago

That someone was Microsoft 😆.

[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I remember Microsoft saying that Windows 10 would be the last version they would ever release and everything moving forward would just be iteration and improvement. Knew that was a lie immediately.

[–] Metz@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Microsoft never said that. Its a myth that refuses to die. A single developer on a conference mentioned something as a sidenote, the press misinterpreted it and the internet took it and ran with it.

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[–] regbin_@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Windows 11 is just Windows 10 23H2. It's just a number. Nothing stops MS from dropping support for older processor in an update for Windows 10.

[–] krayj@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago (8 children)

My system significantly exceeds all the performance requirements for Win11, but it doesn't have the Trusted Platform Module 2.0...and therefore cannot run Windows 11. It's disappointing that my system can run circles around a lot of newer devices but can't upgrade because it's running on an older motherboard. It's dumb that Microsoft made TPM 2.0 a deal-breaking requirement for Win11.

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apparently you can get around that with a registry hack that tells the installer the machine has it. Not that I’d want windows 11 anyway…

[–] TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

IIRC if you use Rufus to make your installer USB it has a preset for Win11 with no TPM. Again, not that you'd want to go out of your way to install it but doing it that way is pretty seamless.

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[–] 0x0@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago

Their pals in the hardware industry say thanks for the ewaste.

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[–] rikonium@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We had petitions for everything, Windows Phone, you name it a decade ago. That won’t do jack shit unless it somehow comes with some large sum of money (how much? who knows) for Microsoft or some bean counter decides “hmm, maybe the environment shouldn’t take another for the team” and gets the company to change course before they are canned.

In the meantime, let’s continue to plot our off-ramps.

[–] bleistift2@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago

Never mind the millions of PCs that don’t want to downgrade to this garbage.

[–] SirStumps@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I've been using Windows 11 for a while now and honestly I don't understand the hate. Who needs personalized functionality? Who needs to be able to move their bar from screen to screen? I do. I'm moving to Linux.

[–] dlok@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Not supporting intel 7th gen and back seemed pretty strong handed, even now they're still decent processors.

And I know there are work-arounds but not for the average consumer

[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm not buying another windows OS.

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[–] LogicalSpace@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I use Ubuntu for pretty much everything, but I would prefer to use 10 in the unfortunate event that I have to boot into Windows.

[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trouble is, to upgrade I'd need to do a mobo upgrade, and I'm not doing another mobo upgrade any time soon.

Windows 10 wasn't great compared to 7, but I bit the bullet on that one because security updates are essential these days, and my workplace is microsoft-centric.

Windows 10s death is going to force a lot of poorer folks to consider alternatives - and let's be honest, it's going to be Linux. The majority of hardware out there in the world can't run 11, let alone a proposed 12.

[–] pycorax@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Windows 10s death is going to force a lot of poorer folks to consider alternatives - and let’s be honest, it’s going to be Linux. The majority of hardware out there in the world can’t run 11, let alone a proposed 12.

For the more technically strong people, I can see that happening but I very much doubt the general public would do that. They probably don't even know what Linux is.

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[–] BudgieMania@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Windows XP/Vista story repeated to the last letter, damn

Windows 11 will be relegated to a footnote in Wikipedia

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[–] Smacks@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Because petitioning a company works, yeah

[–] _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

"No"

\ - MS

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'll stick to XP, 7 and 10 in my VMs then.

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