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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 hours ago

Very inadequate response so far. G7 meeting did not result in any unity with G6.

It is straightforward to destroy US auto industry and agriculture. Export tariffs on energy, materials, potash. Stop reciprocal tariffs on China. China just tariffed US auto parts. Canada specializes in these. Great idea to get closer to Europe, but they do not have our back, and its not producing any results so far. Democrats definitely not a check on US empire/extortion.

It's very easy to get a cost advantage in Canada for auto industry. Export tariffs provide revenue support for subsidies to ensure it. Fuck WTO rules, until "fake emergency" is revoked. Force automakers to side with Canadian plants. Michigan provincehood. Cancel all US military cooperation, kick them out of NORAD, demand refund for all F35s, and cancel rest without paying penalty on corruption grounds. Exterminate Boeing orders.

Immediate diplomacy with China, North Korea, Russia, Mexico. Hoping that other colonies choose Canada friendship over US boot licking, should be read as a long shot, unless we/they coordinate on destroying US auto, aerospace and weapons industry.

Where Trump/US (stop saying this is "one man" or even one party responsible) is very successfully keeping the colonies divided against China, and begging for submission to US military evil. That is precise path that loses our country. It's time to commit to destroying US economy, until they back down, and we gain a better relationship than we had before.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 22 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (3 children)

the US-Canadian border has been one of, if not the, most peaceful borders in the entire world.

the most peaceful and mutually beneficial border on Earth.

Tell me your views are extremely America-centric without telling me.

The only way you can have those views is if you know nothing about the EU at all.

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.org 8 points 3 hours ago

"In the last 100 years"... European borders were not peaceful for that long

[–] faercol@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

To be fair, historically speaking, Europe's borders have been all but peaceful.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Fair, but on March 26 the initial Schengen-Borders will have been basically nonexistent for 30 years.

[–] m4xie@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 hours ago

It has been detrimental to the many first nations whose lands have been divided.

[–] muh_shroom@lemmy.ca 23 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Lmao, I’ve got a bullet for every magat fuck that crosses the border. Last thing they’ll hear is a tree speaking French

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Ah, the French Canadian spirit!

[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 67 points 16 hours ago (14 children)

The problem is that there is a not-insignificant number of people that want the US to annex Canada.

In the US, about 15% of Trump voters would support annexation of Canada, even if Canada didn't want it. That's about 1 in 7.

https://vancouversun.com/news/trump-51st-state-most-americans-have-no-interest-in-canada-annex

The disturbing thing is that about 18% of Canadian Conservatives would support annexation. That's almost 1 in 5. Most of us know five Conservatives, so chances are you know someone who is essentially a traitor. I think Conservative supporters need to be aware that this is the company they keep.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/large-majority-of-canadians-reject-trumps-annexation-overtures-poll-suggests/

[–] Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I've started telling people with those views in real life to becareful, they may get treated the same way collaborators were treated in the Nazi occupied areas of Europe post war. I find it changes their demeanor pretty quickly without actually being a threat.

(I also want it to feel like a threat because it is.)

[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 hours ago

It's not a threat, it's the reality of how these things go. With most of our WW2 veterans dead, most people have neither connection to, nor appreciation of, what happens during a military occupation. They think it's a fucking joke. It most certainly isn't. The moment hostilities become inevitable, all of the people who thought it was funny to "own the libs" by publicly supporting annexation will find that are easy, identifiable targets for righteous anger, and they should best get out before they're put out. Note that the government will not have time for controlled and legally respectful deportation, and it will be aggrieved patriots who decide their fate. Crowds of angry, scared people are not gentle, and they tend to be creative in the most horrible ways.

After hostilities end, no matter how they end, these people will still not feel any comfort. If they end up on the wrong side of history, as they usually do as traitors in an occupation, their fate is grim indeed.

The bottom line is they really should reexamine their loyalties carefully and if they choose to retain treasonous loyalties they should strongly consider leaving Canada. Not sure why they would want to stay anyway, when they clearly do not offer nor deserve the respect of their fellow Canadians.

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 17 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Probably more Americans support being annexed by Canada than annexing Canada.

[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

I mean, yeah I'd love it, but at the same time I wouldn't want Canada to take on that kind of embarrassment and that much of a workload.

[–] Superorbit@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The Vancouver Sun is owned by postmedia... so take whatever they,say with a grain of salt.

[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 hours ago

Yeah I hear you 100%. At this point any of the Postmedia outlets should be considered American propaganda, and they cannot be trusted.

However in this case the survey was from Angus Reid I believe. You can find the results elsewhere.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 8 points 12 hours ago

The one in five conservatives who want to be annexed by America know its the only way they can get American citizenship since they are probably low education and low skilled labour that America doesn't even want. Otherwise they would just move to America.

[–] phx@lemmy.ca 16 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

That 18% number is based on polls that may be kinda susp, but even if it were true a lot of what I've heard from the dumbass gallery has been:

"Cool, then our dollar would finally be equal to USD" and "It'll be easier to get flights to the US and Disneyland" or "Then we can vote in a proper government they're and fix things"

I doubt the appetite for such goes much past a lack of critical thinking into what the realities would be

[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 14 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

This may be so but as we've seen in other contexts - e.g., Brexit and the last US election - these are exactly the people that can do incredible damage that can last generations.

[–] phx@lemmy.ca 9 points 14 hours ago

Absolutely. I'd also hazard that a certain portion of these "ideas" actually come from agents working social media etc to promote them .

They're not just throwing out "DEI bad" but also "and wouldn't you like..."

[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 4 points 14 hours ago

Hi, American here.

A lot of us have been saying that for about a decade and been wrong at about every turn.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 50 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I just was involved in a yelling match this morning about Polievre.

Just some background: I'm a farmer in N. Alberta. We farmers love coffee and visiting. There's half a dozen of us around the shop talking about this, and I safely would say everyone was against Trump, even weirdos that defended him during the election. Even then, though, I'd say the Trumpists here were about 1:10. Now it's zero.

But one person tried to stand up for Polievre this morning, saying he wasn't going to back down to Trump. Everyone else, and these are all what you would call older men, between 50 and 70, had a crack at this guy. The prevailing attitude is that Polievre isn't telling the truth, doesn't have our backs, and nobody is willing to take the chance that he's not lying.

That's in backwoods, buttfuck Alberta. I don't know if this holds true across the prairies, but this is an area where the word Liberal is an epithet. But I wouldn't be surprised to see the CPC get decimated at this point, even in rural ridings.

I'm worried Trump will back down when an election is called, and it will take the edge off, and Polievre will get in. I don't trust the fucker, but most rural voters just need the barest hint of a reason to not vote for the Liberals. In the end, nothing that happens west of Ontario matters, but I imagine if it's like this here, it's way more obvious in the East.

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 15 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I live in the Ottawa region and the attitude around here is simply that Trump handed the Liberals the win. I don't think this election is unsalvageable for the Conservatives (and frankly I think it's dangerous to think so) but they've got a mountain to climb, that's for sure.

Ontario's demographic in Toronto and Ottawa could be summed up as "urban conservative". Interestingly many of them think of themselves as left-wing or progressive and think the same of the Liberals. The reality is very different: they view public servants, the poor, and any other right-wing punching bags as undesirables, they protest any efforts to get housing built, and they even harass striking workers. But hey they're down with "the gays" so they're forward thinking right?

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

I'm sure enough about Polivre to stump for the Liberals. I'm just worried about bursting into flames when I cast a ballot with an L on it.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 15 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

"Great state of Canada"...

To be fair, I heard a news anchorwoman in British Columbia refer to the US as "the lower provinces" lol. I had never heard this before, but since it was used casually on a newscast I assumed it was a fairly common expression. Maybe Bonespurs heard about that and got a burr in his diaper.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 minutes ago

There is a significant difference between a regular person, even a TV personality, and a politician saying that. Enough so that I don't think the term "to be fair" can be applied to it.

[–] npcknapsack@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 hours ago

Upper and Lower Canada making a comeback, with slightly different meanings.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 4 points 12 hours ago

I'm down with that. In fact, can Canada just annex Oregon and Washington? I would consider emigrating to Canada myself. But...that's hardly a trivial thing to do. Plus packing is such a pain in the ass. Plus, selling a house, moving companies and all that. Ugh. What an effort. It would be a lot more convenient for me if we could just move the border a good ways south.

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 101 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

This headline is subtly dismissive.

"Angry" and "right now" both suggest a transient state. That's not what we're seeing.

"Canada has finally had enough of the USA" would be a more apt title; or "Canada reaches its breaking point."

Alongside of the #Never51 hashtag is an almost equally frequent #NeverGoBack. Canada, as a nation, as a people, are making the decision to go their own way, and never be so beholden to any country as we have been to the USA since 1959.

Never. Go. Back.

[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 7 points 12 hours ago

I used to be angry.

I still am, but I used to be, too.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

I hope you're right, but the public's memory is short.

[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

Some of the public are people like me. I stopped giving any money to Blizzard back when they made StarCraft (II?) require a Battle.NET account...or was it patching out already present offline LAN support? It was also hearing about shitty labor practices and workplace harassment at some point. My memory of why is pretty spotty, but the "don't give Blizzard money" part has stayed crystal clear for decades now. I genuinely don't remember why I first blacklisted EA games (might be commitment to DRM, might be just because they're such a shitty company), but it's on that list for life.

Heck, between 3rd-party DRM, loot boxes, and everything from "crunch time" development cycles to transphobia, I've been all but done with AAA gaming for several years. I could hardly be a gamer at all any more, if not for the rise of indie gaming, but that's not really my point right now.

The point is I remember the important, actionable bits. And I think most other Canadians will also retain their simple conclusions that won't need re-evaluation. After this, they'll have a solitary pedestal in their mind palace just to store one special conclusion from all of this:

Fuck the U.S.

And after floundering around for a bit, Canadians will find the indie trade they love; in a few years, they won't even miss AAA trading.

[–] suite403@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yea, in the US it lasts less than 4 years.

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[–] ninthant@lemmy.ca 191 points 23 hours ago (47 children)

You’re goddamn right I’m furious.

And no less furious at the weak-kneed Democrats who do nothing as their own country is ripped from them by a clown. “Oh sorry; we’ll try again in 4 years” they say. Fuck your thoughts and prayers, how about do something. You won’t get a free election in 4 years, dummies.

Oh yeah, I realize you’re super busy and with your sportsball games and your reality TV marathons. Your inaction today will haunt your future.

And no this isn’t a call to action or a cry for help. We’re going to be just fine. You’re the ones who have to live there, and live with yourselves knowing you did nothing.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez are heading out to states to lead town halls after this most recent budget passing.

This is what Democrats should be doing: preparing for 2028 by reaching out to people now, or at the very least educating them on what's happening and what might happen in the other 46 months (or more...) of Trump's second presidency.

[–] ninthant@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

I expect the authoritarian posturing and nationalism will be successful inside America as the world unites against them. And that any further hopes they have of opposition will be strangled by increasing anti-democratic measures as time goes on. That’s the playbook that has been successful elsewhere and I see no basis for believing in American exceptionalism here.

Will be extremely happy to be wrong on this, but I can’t see a world where waiting until 2028 works out for Democrats.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

After reading about Rubio's stupidity during the G7 meeting, Brussels should ask Canada to join the EU. It would force the UK to vote again, the EU would be number one in GDP and Putin's Fucking Sock Puppet would have an aneurysm.

[–] Yoga@lemmy.ca 55 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I just hope people remember than even AFTER the government changes, the companies and people behind them are still the same.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 67 points 23 hours ago (16 children)

The anger I'm seeing isn't just at Trump, it's at Americans in general.

They voted for this lunatic, twice. How can we possibly trust that shit like this won't ever happen again?

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