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US immigration enforcement used an AI-powered tool to scan social media posts "derogatory" to the US | "The government should not be using algorithms to scrutinize our social media posts"::undefined

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At the same time, whenever there is a mass shooting where the killer posted their intent online, people always say "why weren't the authorities paying attention".

[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I kind of feel that trawling social media looking for the words of potential mass shooters isn't going to be the thing that solves - or even slows down - the mass shooting problem that the USA has.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think there is a huge difference between just scanning publicly available text posted to social media in general rather than immigration focus. A lot of these shooters post very public manifestoesque type comments, friends and families have even called the police in some cases and they take no action. It feels like the police actively ignore this stuff just to be able to shrug and protect 2a.

A number of these could have easily been stopped.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The real question is how many people post shit like that but then don't go on to hurt anyone.

[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago

friends and families have even called the police in some cases and they take no action. It feels like the police actively ignore this stuff

I'm going to be a little glib here : Just fix this part and you won't need to scan social media posts.

Also, once this is in place you'll find that the majority of perpetrators - the ones who plan things out - won't post super incriminating things beforehand and their generally-disturbed posts will be lost in the sea of general discontent flagged by an algorithm trying to sift the wheat from the chaff.

[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I for one welcome... blah blah

Yeah this is scary and honestly why I'm super careful what I put online. Well, mostly.

There are professional social media checkers who will find your hidden/locked social media (and Reddit etc).

They get hired by recruitment agencies or companies who are hiring.

And on the surface it could be to check no one is a secret nazi/chauvanist etc

But I bet there's secondary data about political leanings or how "appropriate" your friends are.

Or if you're willing to be a part of the old boy's club (coke and strippers is fine for execs, but you can't have a nephew who is in a labor union etc).

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yep. The CCP's social credit system was always going to be the end game of surveillance capitalism. It will be spearheaded by conservatives because they're the most religious, authoritarian, and have an innate desire to restrict social progress and enforce their views on everyone else.

The best part is they'll claim it's completely different and represents Freedom™️ because it'll be established by capitalism... Even though it's functionally identical, the CCP are more capitalist than communist, and western conservatives jizz their pants at the level of power and control the CCP have over the Chinese people.

[–] markr@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The government should not be scrutinizing anyone’s social media outside of a criminal investigation with a warrant.

[–] jimbolauski@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Public posts have no expectation of privacy.

[–] redwall_hp@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's a world of difference between witnessing something in public and following someone around, making note of everything they say and do "in public." We call the latter "stalking" when an individual does it.

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

If I click your username, I see everthing this account has posted to Lemmy. There's no real-world equivalent to that.

Nearly everyone using Lemmy knows that's how the software works and should keep that in mind when posting.

[–] jimbolauski@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Looking at someone’s post history != following a person around.

Further following someone around is not stalking there has to be an action that would make someone fear being harmed.

[–] Substance_P@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not just public posts, private messaging apps are also scrutinized.

[–] jimbolauski@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The AI system searches public posts, it's not able to read DMs, it doesn't have login credentials.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Though they do reserve the ability to seize, crack and search your phone within the Constitution Free Zone (one hundred miles of any US border) and will then search all your internet activity for wrongdoing. Dunno if that is treated with AI searching.

[–] Substance_P@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Arr gotcha, I was referring to searching devices generally.

[–] Darkenfolk@dormi.zone 6 points 1 year ago

On the other hand, if you don't want to be scrutinized by everyone don't put your whole life online for everyone to see and judge.

Nobody is going to respect your privacy if you do not respect your own privacy.

[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh so only the exact thing we’ve criticized China for? Are we going to start taking people’s passports as they’re exiting the country to detain them for months for slander now?

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Libel. Slander only applies to spoken statements.

[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’m about to slander you, you dumbie! (For correcting me)

[–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I have nothing to hide

./s

[–] Substance_P@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When I travel I generally delete all my social media apps off my phone and leave my laptop at home, this seems drastic and I actually think it's more trouble than it's worth to be honest. I have no past history of crimes, my politics are left leaning but I'm naturally curious about all branches of political leanings, religions and philosophies among other things. Oddly I have recently gotten off telegram and my instances of being questioned by the CBP (for no reason at all) have virtually stopped.

[–] kungen@feddit.nu 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have recently gotten off telegram and my instances of being questioned by the CBP (for no reason at all) have virtually stopped.

What kind of questions did you usually get? And did you have "who can find me by my number" set to "everybody"? Because the CBP gets your telephone number in different ways (most likely ESTA if you're using that), and then they can easily see your Telegram account.

I have Telegram and travel often, and I have never gotten any weird questioning from CBP other than the normal "what are you doing here and when are you heading back". Then again, no one can find my account via telephone number...

[–] Substance_P@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Even though I am pretty privacy conscious the community that I live in has decided to get off WhatsApp, I did have my number associated with my account for the reasons of local communication. So yeah you are right that this was my fault to an extent.

Questions have mostly been similar to what you mentioned, although often said in ways to try to evoke answers that could prove their unfounded suspicions of some sort, but it was the temporary retention of my passport and been taken to a separate room that got tedious, especially when I was trying to make a connecting flight.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I, for one, will continue to call Seppos Seppos as I won't be dealing with ICE anyway as who would want to visit, or move to, a country that habitually fascist. There, was that derogatory enough.

[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

And I just saw an article yesterday stating that the government is creating a whole department to manage the impact of AI and how it is used.