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cross-posted from: https://lemmit.online/post/5566633

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The original was posted on /r/todayilearned by /u/MechCADdie on 2025-04-04 08:19:11+00:00.

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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I have a feeling they learned, and then said “what a great idea to crash the economy. It’s so easy, let’s do it.”

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

A hero of the right, Ronald Reagan, actually gave a speech condemning tariffs. Yup, I'm actually on Reagan's side here.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Mj6N-WBPrVw

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Reagan was a neoconservative, heavily invested in deindustrializing the Midwest to break the domestic labor movement and capturing labor overseas for the benefit of investment capital. He succeeded too well, as his NAFTA and global trade policies birth to large foreign industrial powers that could meet the US as peers instead of supplicants.

Forty years later, Trump looked at the economic landscape and concluded he could undo the Reagan Era by throwing up high trade barriers, because he believed the finance capitalism at home (combined with our large international military) commanded leverage over physical capital abroad. Now we're gambling on a war over Greenland and a promise that Europe needs Wall Street more than it needs Chinese manufacturing capacity.

But both Reagan and Trump were fixated on global US hegemony. They just went about it wrong, because they were dumb-dumbs surrounded by people more greedy than they were strategic. It's a double-own goal, from opposite ends of the net.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I think there's room for reasonable tariff policy, but unfortunately the US is a nuance-free land full of extremists so Trump's terrible implementation will make tariffs radioactive for another generation if there's a large public backlash.

It doesn't need to be absolutely free trade with slavers or tariff man hell. We could raise the standard of living by allowing free trade but imposing tariffs -- or even outright bans on imports -- from places legalizing slave labor and other close to slave labor conditions. But obviously none of that fits into Trump's dumbass worldview.

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[–] RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago

If we don't get these paid actors out of Congress we're going to lose in ways most people really don't want to believe

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 26 points 2 days ago (4 children)

They also didn't have fox news at that time :/

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They had newspapers owned by William Randolph Hearst, who pretty much invented the "yellow press". And whose story is eerily similar to Musk's, including a sudden swing from progressivism to far right nationalism.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Second largest senate seat loss, I say hopefully.

[–] Saltycracker@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Maybe it is a good idea to get rid of senate seats with new people. 50 years the same people might be a bit too long

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This time when we stomp down the corporatists we need to make it illegal for corporate interests to be considered when making policy.

And collective ownership

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