I mean, I'd like to get rid of IP Law too....
But I actually mean get rid of, not an "Under New Management" sense like Elon The Musky Husky wants
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Of course they are both lying. As with all capitalists, they will always use the law to seize greater power.
That would be a-m-a-z-i-n-g. Private game servers, fan remakes of shows and movies, I would be over the moon.
Too bad it won't happen
Honestly, I'm a fan of abolishing IP law too, but for some reason I suspect the implementation of that they support is very different than the one I support
Be Weird, Download a Car, Generate Art, Screw Copyrights!
I hate agreeing with these assholes, but I do in this case. IP/patent law is explicitly designed to stifle competition. At most, it should last a few years (if you agree with the "recoup the cost of innovation" argument). Innovation will be done for the sake of innovation if there's competition though. If your opposition innovates and you don't, you're going to be destroyed. The exception is when they agree to not compete, which is already illegal though not enforced as strongly as it should be.
Right? There's no reason Superman and Winnie The Pooh should fall under ANY copyright, everyone involved with the creation of both ins long dead.. The only thing being protected is DC and Disney's bottom line.
And the fact that Tarzan isn't public domain is most absurd
Hell it took forever for Sherlock Holmes to be public domain, and the world he was created in doesn't even remotely exist anymore.
I hate agreeing with these assholes, but I do in this case.
I guarantee you that neither of these assholes champion any kind of open access to their end works. Elon famously shut down the Twitter API and vexatiously litigated any number of Tesla copycats. Dorsey is only plugging an anti-IP stance because he's got a new AI engine out and wants to get on board the "Stealing everyone's DeviantArt library" gravy train. None of it is remotely sincere.
If your opposition innovates and you don’t, you’re going to be destroyed.
That's simply not true. There are a myriad of historical examples as to it not being true, from the Japanese abolition of the gun during the Meiji Restoration to German telecoms clinging to copper wire data infrastructure despite fiber optics being obviously superior. If you don't innovate because you have an economic incentive to drag your heels, and your economic clout gives you the ability to close out competitors, then you can do perfectly fine "innovating" in the field of anti-competitive trade behavior rather than real tech innovation.
What we have in Musk and Dorsey are two men who have benefited enormously from Silicon Valley insider investing and cheap borrowing. They don't give a shit about other people's IP in the same way Microsoft was more than happy to pillage code and reverse engineer software of its rivals. But if you think they're going to apply that to their own codebase and personal economic interests... well...
vexatiously
Cool word
IIRC the original US copyright law as written by the founders was 25 years or so. The extensions on that have all been in the last 70 years or so due to mega corps like Disney.
The problem with Musk and Dorsey is that they want the copyright laws to apply to them but no one else. "Rules for thee but not for me" mentality of the wealthy.
Yeah, the problem was not the original copyright law which gave incentive for coming up with new ideas by giving you rights to that idea for long enough that you can be profitable, the problem is that it's been extended to the point that the people who came up with the idea are long dead and it's still under copyright for massive corporations.
This is going to be used corporations to take away everything from individuals who are innovating (more than they already are). Nobody will be able to build wealth off a good idea again. Which if we were in a society where wealth wasn't required to live a good life I would be okay with, but we aren't, so I'm not.
Maybe. That's certainly their intent. I could also see it working the other way though. No more patent trolls or companies hoarding good ideas.
The corporations wouldn’t just hold good ideas under this proposal, they would hold every idea.
Someone innovates and makes a good product? Looks like WalMart is going to produce 100,000 units and sell them at 75% of the innovator’s price, pushing him out.
No matter what, under capitalism, money ALWAYS wins.
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... Delete... all... IP law?
So... just literally make all piracy legal, switch all gaming and tv show and movie production/consumption... to an optional donation model?
Fuck it, why not.
I am both an avid pirate and have a degree in econ, wrote papers as an undergrad on how to potentially reform the DMCA... and uh yeah, at this point yeah no one has any fucking idea how any thing works, everyone is an idiot, sure fuck it, blow it all up, why not.
Abolish IP for billionaires… not for the poor.
Yeah except you know it isn't going to be that
They're going to go "yeah but not like that"
They'll just remove consumer protections and make it so you own even less and if you try to fight it, you'll have the full weight of the court system to make you poor
Is musk supports it, that's exactly what he's hoping will happen. The rich will be able to take advantage of it and the poor will either stay the same or get worse
This, he means abolish IP Law in terms of consumer protections.
also jam in there protections for AI training so they don’t have to deal with those pesky rent-seeking “authors”
Free for people that already can afford anything.
Can't disagree here, this would be great
They don't want to delete all IP law, they just want to delete the IP law which is preventing them from postponing the collapse of the AI hype a little bit more.
If they wanted to delete ALL IP Law, I'd move to have my Sonic fanfiction officially published.
Sally Acorn's back in the canon if I say she is bro!
"Delete all IP law" say people who have never created anything of any value to humanity.
Oh no, this is so... good idea. Yarr! Pirate Party approves.
Disney vs Musk when?
Disney would smoke Musk
I was hoping Ken Penders would follow through on his threat to sue Paramount over Locke and Enerjak technically showing up in the Sonic 2 movie. (Characters who aren't named, but have the same role as Locke and Enerjak show up.. Wouldn't matter if they were straight up wearing name tags saying "My name is Locke/My name is Enerjak", the idea that Ken actually won his lawsuits is debunked fiction.)
Seriously, I wanted to see a judge explain to him that no he doesn't own Knuckles or any Sonic character for that matter. And part of that is that "Settling out of court and being tossed some "Fuck off" money" and "Winning the lawsuit and naming your own terms to be obeyed and altered at your leisure" are two entirely different concepts... With the latter not really a thing outside of deluded day dreams.
Hold on hold on. Don't mention a damn thing
Why not get rid of the patent trolls, the monopolies shelving useful technologies through patent loopholes, the ... Oh I see the tech billionaires again wanting to uproot a system because loopholes are just too much effort now.
God if every innovation stuck behind patent trolls was suddenly allowed to see the light of day, we'd basically solve the energy crisis overnight... and we'd see games that used the Nemesis System
Delete all internet protocol law
Well a billionaire commanded we argue about copyright law. I guess we need to expend our energy and build enough momentum so that Musk can grab more power during the turmoil.
Trumpers did their part by arguing about free speech. Time to tap into our issues with IP laws and help Musk too!
This would be disastrous for actual manufacturing because a patent is the only thing that makes it worthwhile to spend a bunch of money upfront to develop a new technology. Unlike with software where you don't have nearly as much up front capital investment to develop something, it costs millions of dollars to get a manufacturing process up and running and in a good enough state to where it can actually work out financially. Without patents, your competitor can just take all of that work and investment and just copy it with the benefit of doing it right the first time, so they're able to undercut you on cost. The alternative is that everyone is super secretive about what they're doing and no knowledge is shared, which is even worse. Patents are an awesome solution to this problem because they are public documents that explain how technologies work, but the law allows a monopoly on that technology for a limited amount of time. I also feel that in the current landscape, copyright is probably also good (although I would prefer it to be more limited) because I don't want people who are actually coming up with new ideas having to compete with thousands of AI slop copycats ruining the market.
TL;DR- patents are good if you're actually building things, tech bros are morons who think everything is software.
In the manufacturing space, people are questioning if patents help them at all. There is no stopping China from copying your design and selling it on Aliexpress. In fact, since you're almost certainly getting your product manufactured in China in the first place, there is no stopping the very manufacturing plant you're using from producing extras and undercutting you.
Consider this old EEVblog vid about bringing a product to market, and the #1 tip is "don't bother with a patent": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7BL1O0xCcY
Patents have evolved to be useful to patent trolls. That's it.
That's not what Dorsey and Musk are after, though. They want to kill copyright law because it's inconvenient for AI training data.
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This is the only thing he's ever done or said that I agree with, even though his real intentions are obvious. We really do need a complete re-writing of IP law, but not from Elon.
i came in to say the same thing. IP law rarely benefits the working class. it's usually a tool used by the likes of disney to bash peasants over the head. it also slows down innovation.
but the problem is, something like this is supposed to coincide with the end of capitalism and implementation of things like UBI.
yeah i agree with especially the last paragraph. i don't think abandoning all IP laws today is realistic, as the commercial art/innovation economy still has too much game to gain so it's gonna take at least 10 more years.
They want to do this so they can feed their ai models.
You can tell China is making strides when suddenly IP laws are a nuisance rather than a fundamental value of the American system lol
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