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I don't like smartphones. I use a dumbphone.

But this is a wonderful initiative.

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 minute ago

I wish they could implement the parts of the Pixel phones that allow GrapheneOS to be used.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 3 points 49 minutes ago (2 children)
[–] peetabix@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 minutes ago* (last edited 12 minutes ago)

Looks ok but I dont like the subscription model for os updates. First 12 months is free, then you have to pay.

But I guess they have to make their money somehow.

[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 1 points 14 minutes ago (1 children)

I looked at it, but it looks really outdated phone. Would be interesting if we live in a 2015, but not today.

[–] sykaster@feddit.nl 1 points 1 minute ago

In what way does it look outdated?

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 13 points 2 hours ago

Bring back the headphone jack

[–] oascany@lemmy.world 19 points 3 hours ago

This would've been my new phone if it had a headphone jack.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 36 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I hope Graphene eventually shifts to support the fairphones. Doubtful, but it'd be perfect

[–] AVengefulAxolotl@lemmy.world 1 points 1 minute ago

If we could get a Fairphone with GrapheneOS, that would be the perfect phone for me. Repairability & the most secure and private Android. Sign me up!

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 7 points 3 hours ago

Hows their secure boot?

I would totally be interested if they had solid Linux support, such as postmarketOS or mobian. Those systems continue to get updates long after most Android devices stop supplying updates, so it would fit really well with a repairable phone. It shouldn't be the default, but it would be awesome if they helped the Linux phone community make it the best supported hardware for the various Linux phone projects.

According to the postmarketOS wiki, audio is completely broken, so you have to use Bluetooth. That kind of sucks.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 47 points 7 hours ago (7 children)

That's cool. Let me know when it gets support for GrapheneOS and finds it's headphone jack again.

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[–] yumyumsmuncher@feddit.uk 84 points 9 hours ago (11 children)

Shame there is no Graphene OS support for it

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 28 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Graphene isn't the best choice for everything. It doesn't have good backup solutions nor device to device backup or anything solid for complete snapshots and when restoring your so called backups you'll realize what all it truly lacks.

It's hardened and has a lot of security and privacy features but none of that matters if your opsec is bad, or it's feature set doesn't match your threat model. I am not knocking it at all. It just isn't the white knight for every case.

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 11 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Seedvault worked fine for me when I moved phones last year.

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago

I agree. Seedvault works but if you really use the project and its features as intended you'll see problems I listed above which is not complete I'm just tired there are plenty more.

You'll start to see the problems and the lack of value add from graphene. I'd feel much safer on a Linux machine and correct backups, under most threat models and opsecs, even without all the advanced security features than stuck locked into graphene as a half baked project. Which is saying something, and why I said it depends on your opsec and threat model I wasn't bashing the project it just is not the end all be all right now.

The year of Linux is upon us. Soonish*

Its had more dev time across the board which is why I would choose it first and foremost. What it lacks in certain features its fundamentally more complete. Regardless of distro mostly.

[–] hersh@literature.cafe 12 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

What's wrong with Seedvault?

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Seedvault works, I've restored from backups multiple times.

However there are still many parts of overall data that aren't fully backed up.

Certain app data doesn't get saved.

Settings are but not in entirety requiring manual rechecks of all settings and reconfiguration if needed. Which saves no time because then you cannot trust it fully for what was and was not altered meaning you then must asses everything which took away the total value, and adds a layer of distrust.

Profiles must be backed up individually which creates a giant hassle to restore/maintain consistent backups, which also requires different drives for each profile to be recognized correctly.

App lists are impartial requiring a wrote down list or some form of rememberance that's not reliant on the backup list of installed apps.

I can go on with more its late in my time zone and I have to sleep so. It's a good project and has merit. It is just not where it should be to really be useful at scale. I am aware of the experimental setting to create a more comprehensive backup. Even with it checked on the backups are not complete. Thus the use of Graphene while a great project has definite major flaws. If they implement device to device backups it would be a game changer. Not high up on their list of to dos though.

[–] hersh@literature.cafe 2 points 3 hours ago

Thanks for the info. I have not really tested Seedvault myself so this is all good to know.

Ironically, one of the main reasons I switched to GrapheneOS was because Google's backups were so frustrating and I was hoping Seedvault would be more comprehensive.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Agreed.

That said, it would be awesome to have an alternative to Pixel devices if you do want GrapheneOS.

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The project has sort of silo'd itself into security which is only one part of the equation. Rather than overall completeness, functionality, maintainability. It's lacking major fundamental feature sets. Thus its more of a tails meets whonix/Qubes right now not a all in one bow wrapped package to save the day for its consumer base. Many many other issues/bugs I didnt list. Perhaps I'll add more tomorrow. If everyone wants.

And that's exactly what it should be IMO. I prefer a project with narrow goals to one that does everything, but poorly.

If I want backups, I can use something like Syncthing. When moving to a new device, I prefer to install everything from scratch because I generally don't use most of the apps I have anyway. I don't put anything critical on it, so why would I need to restore from a snapshot?

If you want those features, it's not the ROM for you.

I just want a simple device with a long support cycle and no spyware, and GrapheneOS delivers. I have Google Play Services on a sperate profile, and my main profile is completely free of that crap. I want a Linux phone, but every phone has serious limitations, like missing audio, sketchy calls, or completely broken camera. GrapheneOS is the closest experience I have to that.

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[–] VolumetricShitCompressor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 9 hours ago (14 children)

If they just didn't drop the headphone jack.

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