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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago

I can't believe the guy who originally administered the creation of Twitter would do all the exact same things that originally made him billions of dollars selling the company to Elon Musk.

There's no way he's just speed-running what he did last time in hopes of another $44B buyout.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The checkmark is the wrong approach. You should never trust accounts, because accounts get hacked. We should instead use cryptographic signatures on individual posts, and clients can warn when that signature doesn't match the account's public key, or if that key changed recently. The private key would never live on the server, and ideally live outside the app.

This doesn't verify identity, it just proves the key didn't change. To establish identity, the person needs to use the same key in multiple places, such as posting it on a personal website or something. If a service wants to add their own stamp of approval, they can sign these public keys and embed them into the apl for clients to use (e.g. show a blue checkmark if Bluesky can verify the public key outside its system).

If the private key is compromised, repeat the process, potentially signing the new key with both the old and new key to prove control of both (or start from scratch if needed). Repeat whenever they get hacked.

[–] Yoga@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

Average user:

"Wait how do I get cryptocurrency with my key?"

[–] AHamSandwich@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's also not new. GPG has been around for decades, and is pretty much this.

[–] vodkasolution@feddit.it 15 points 1 day ago (5 children)

you don't kill a cow for a scratch on her leg (I hope the saying is understandable for everybody since it doesn't come from English).
I'm on mastodon and bluesky: the first is even less populated than here and a big part of the interesting content comes from bot reposting popular accounts from x or reddit, while the second is far from being THE solution but it's nowadays a -not wildly populated- compromise. I don't condone (while I understand) the Turkish bans and I'm not interested in a verification system: if I'd like one, I'd use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIDAS.
I hope bluesky will correct its approach for what they can (the "good old" twitterin the golden era was banned in Turkey)

[–] Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I believe the equivalent saying would be "don't let perfect be the enemy of good".

I couldn't give a single shit about these twitter alternatives, because the whole concept is stupid.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

the whole concept is stupid.

+1

Being that algorithmic just makes any Twitter-like design too easy to abuse.

Again, Lemmy (and Reddit) is far from perfect, but fundamentally, grouping posts and feeds by niche is way better. It incentivizes little communities that are concerned about their own health, while users have zero control over that shouting into the Twitter maw.

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[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

ARE WE LEARNING HOW "SOCIAL MEDIA" WORKS YET HUMANITY?

Seriously. How many more fucking times do we need to go around this goddamn merry go round until we just start calling each other on the phone and meeting face to face again. You know, where the only enshittification is the one you bring with you. It's fucking boring me now, how many of these stupid ass things I didn't join because I've already, apparently, gotten the memo and how, inevitably, something like this happens, and everyone acts surprised and disappointed , as though inevitability was a concept they felt they'd been given a sabbatical from or something.

This. Shit. Ain't. Free. There is an inherent cost, an "effort" required to communicate with others. You pay it with money, time or privacy. The overwhelming choice lately has been "privacy", but it's obviously something that not everyone is comfortable with, because we didn't have the term "enshittification" before we started this flavor of our collective idiocy.

[–] Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf 5 points 1 day ago

Can I subscribe to your social media accounts? I would like to follow your opinions.

Nah, for real though, I'm so glad my best friend is still fairly analog and we use the phone for what it is (we just call each other when we want to meet up).

Lemmy is the last of social media that I use and I regularly take breaks from it because the echo chamber is very apparent and not something I wish to be consumed by.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

ARE WE LEARNING HOW “SOCIAL MEDIA” WORKS YET HUMANITY?

Apparently not, because people keep feeling surprised and offended when the Networking Effect happens.

Seriously. How many more fucking times do we need to go around this goddamn merry go round until we just start calling each other on the phone and meeting face to face again

Idk, when are we going to get low-cost public transit and VoIP that's not like talking over two tin cans connected with string?

[–] AHamSandwich@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What is this networking effect you mentioned? I tried searching online but I think I'm missing the context needed to find the right info.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] AHamSandwich@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

Thanks for the link. That's what I found, so I'm certain I'm missing something. Can you clue me in on why people are getting surprised and offended by it?

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Figured they would go down this route. Don't use it anyway

[–] rpl6475@lemmy.ml 48 points 1 day ago

Then come over to Mastodon...

[–] Wimster@lemmy.wtf 58 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Bluesky is the new X. After canceling the accounts of Turkish protesters this is the next step for the big money behind Bluesky. That’s why I deleted my account a few days ago.

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago

Exactly, Bluesky has been shitty for a while for lots of reasons. I’m not understanding why this is the line in the sand.

[–] DoomProphet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago

Same. Deleted my account when they started to censor the Turkish protestors. Not that I used the account really but still.

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[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No one disliked the check mark before "Genghis Kunt" started selling it

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[–] mr2meows@pawb.social 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

this is unnecessary with custom domains

[–] FourWaveforms@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

Their position is that custom domains are "too hard."

[–] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Yeah I deleted my Bluesky. All public companies eventually turn to shit because of the shareholders unending greed.

[–] sunglocto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 day ago

Preaching to the choir

But anyway anyone who thinks bluesky is actually decentralised will learn sooner rather than later that that's not the case

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Something like this unavoidable.

Example, ted cruz the car mechanic in marfa Texas has just has much right to use blusky as ~~professional shit bag~~ senator ted cruz. But hiw do tell the real one from the racid sack of weasels.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 day ago

mastodon exists

[–] SSNs4evr@leminal.space 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If they really, really want to fix 99.8% of the problems with hate speech (and many other issues), each user needs to agree to have their real name, home address, email address, and phone number available to the public, in their profile. While what I've just said is completely absurd, for almost everyone, it's the anonymity that empowers people to say the absolute worst things.

Why don't most people in the checkout line (queue) at the grocery store act the same way they do in a traffic jam on a roadway? Because they're much more likely to be held personally accountable for their conduct. I wonder how much traffic would change, if our name, address and telephone numbers were required to be posted on all sides of our vehicles?

[–] max_dryzen@mander.xyz 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

it’s the anonymity that empowers people to say the absolute worst things.

humans behave badly when they perceive they have social license to do so. anonymity has little to do with it

  • exhibit A: public robberies of German Jews in the 1930s
  • exhibit B: rwandan genocide
  • exhibit C: any public confrontation video shot during the Covid pandemic

your second paragraph makes you sound like Larry Ellison. all you're arguing for is the extension of the capacity of corporations to constrain and coerce invidiual behaviour, which is gross

[–] musubibreakfast@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

I didn't read what you said but I like it, everyone gets a license plate on bluesky.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 104 points 2 days ago (3 children)

So long as the checkmark isn't bought through some subscription service, I'm fine with this.

The whole reason why verification exists is because other will steal the name of someone famous and masquerade as them, with real world consequences. A verification system now means that certain platforms and people will get more attracted to be there, and thus Bluesky will grow.

[–] GoMati@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

It's not.

Not yet 😏

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[–] lovewhenshe@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yous are hyping it a basic verification system which can't be bought and is handed out for the sake of showing credibility is a good thing

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