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Look, I've only been a Linux user for a couple of years, but if there's one thing I've learned, it's that we're not afraid to tinker. Most of us came from Windows or macOS at some point, ditching the mainstream for better control, privacy, or just to escape the corporate BS. We're the people who choose the harder path when we think it's worth it.

Which is why I find it so damn interesting that atomic distros haven't caught on more. The landscape is incredibly diverse now - from gaming-focused Bazzite to the purely functional philosophy of Guix System. These distros couldn't be more different in their approaches, but they all share this core atomic DNA.

These systems offer some seriously compelling stuff - updates that either work 100% or roll back automatically, no more "oops I bricked my system" moments, better security through immutability, and way fewer update headaches.

So what gives? Why aren't more of us jumping on board? From my conversations and personal experience, I think it boils down to a few things:

Our current setups already work fine. Let's be honest - when you've spent years perfecting your Arch or Debian setup, the thought of learning a whole new paradigm feels exhausting. Why fix what isn't broken, right?

The learning curve seems steep. Yes, you can do pretty much everything on atomic distros that you can on traditional ones, but the how is different. Instead of apt install whatever and editing config files directly, you're suddenly dealing with containers, layering, or declarative configs. It's not necessarily harder, just... different.

The docs can be sparse. Traditional distros have decades of guides, forum posts, and StackExchange answers. Atomic systems? Not nearly as much. When something breaks at 2am, knowing there's a million Google results for your error message is comforting.

I've been thinking about this because Linux has overcome similar hurdles before. Remember when gaming on Linux was basically impossible? Now we have the Steam Deck running an immutable SteamOS (of all things!) and my non-Linux friends are buying them without even realizing they're using Linux. It just works.

So I'm genuinely curious - what's keeping YOU from switching to an atomic distro? Is it specific software you need? Concerns about customization? Just can't be bothered to learn new tricks?

Your answers might actually help developers focus on the right pain points. The atomic approach makes so much sense on paper that I'm convinced it's the future - we just need to figure out what's stopping people from making the jump today.

So what would it actually take to get you to switch? I'm all ears.

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[–] nezach@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I have a small testing field. My mother is using Opensuse Aeon and my father in law is using Fedora Silverblue. Since I am their IT support it's fine. I asked what they wanna do on their Laptops and figured it doesn't matter if they use windows, mac or any linux distro. Since I am most comfortable with linux, it is what they are using now. They are happy and I am getting the same amount of questions as before. Had no real trouble since then.

[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Neat. I've been thinking of doing something similar. My parents currently use a Mac, but they mainly just use the web browser. I was thinking of switching them to VanillaOS at some point.

mother is using Opensuse Aeon and my father in law is using Fedora Silverblue

How long have they been using those distros? Do you or they have any preferences for Aeon or Silverblue?

[–] nezach@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 13 hours ago

As long as it works and they can do their stuff, which is minimal, they don't care. In fact they couldn't say what they are using if you would ask them. They would probably just say Linux. This is in my opinion the best use case for immutable distros. While setting it up Silverblue was easier, as in the setup after installation had more software installed and there is no mandatory encryption setup. Aeon feels fresh and there is absolutely no bloat, but it is still RC at the moment.

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[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 13 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Ive been using pop-os for my desktop for years. Ive had no update headaches, roll back issues, or anything else that would compel me to swap distros for one that made these things better.

So to answer your question:

None of the above are compelling features that justify the work to switch off an already very stable distro.

[–] FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca 3 points 14 hours ago

Pop_OS! is a decent OS, been using it for a few years on my living room PC. On my gaming rig i been using Bazzite which i like where it's going, love kde, but i can't get surround sound working and for the life of me can't figure out how to fix it. Might move on to another distribution, but we'll see.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

ive been meaning to even try another distro for a while, regardless of being immutable or not.

but my machine works just fine how it is. why change it?

[–] whatsgoingdom@rollenspiel.forum 11 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Probably because everyone is still constantly recommending Mint as a good distro for beginners.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 12 points 15 hours ago

People recommend Mint mostly as a better Ubuntu I think. Ubuntu is still the most popular and, increasingly, not the best distro to start with.

Fedora currently fills the space that Ubuntu used to fill. Probably the biggest caveat with Fedora now is the lack of codecs by default.

[–] Liberal_Ghost@lemmy.zip 5 points 16 hours ago

I JUST switched to Linux, and I tried Mint and Fedora, ending IP sticking with fedora. You are correct so many people said to use mint as a begginer.

[–] CsXGF8uzUAOh6fqV@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I like fucking around and finding out. I also don't like roll backs, real men only roll forwards :)

(don't take that too seriously please)

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago

Eh since my laptop is primarily for work and running my business, I have two separate base partitions for just such an occasion that I'll mirror across once I know nothing went stupid. I just can't afford to be goofing around procrastinating work, and then bork my system when I need to do invoicing and the like.

[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 3 points 13 hours ago

Because it took me a few years to create my perfect Fedora workstation installation.

If one days it becomes bricked, I’d probably switch to an immitable distribution, but I’m sticking with workstation as long as it works.

Also there is no real upside to switching for me.

[–] Rodneyck@lemm.ee 5 points 16 hours ago

Long, LONG, time linux user here, but to answer your question, most general users don't tinker. They want it to 'just work,' which is why Apple, and to a lesser extent Windows, has dumbed everything down and made it proprietary (beyond just the locked in money thing) so users don't have to think. Plus, support is a big money maker, for the corporations anyway.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

For me it's too much time investment, I don't want to tinker with my OS. The fact that it's so common to screw up a system that atomic distros are becoming much more popular is a good example, I want an OS that doesn't get screwed up in the first place.

[–] slembcke@lemmy.ml 1 points 12 hours ago

Sorta-mostly agree. I'm not afraid to tinker, but I don't really care to either. To some extent the pitch for immutable distros are that you won't ruin everything if you fiddle with them. The Linux I installed years ago didn't require fiddling, and hopefully doesn't need a lot of protection from me anyway. If I was setting up a new machine today I might try an immutable distro, but I'm not going to replace a perfectly cromulent install I already have unless there's a problem.

[–] mlfh@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I switched a workstation to Secureblue for the very specific security priorities targeted by that project, but I think for the majority of users, the main reason for not switching to atomic is one you mentioned: why fix what isn't broken? The main selling point promoted to potential new users seems to be that updates don't break anything, but I can't remember a single time since Debian Sarge that an update broke anything for me, and I actually find the rpm-ostree package layering and updating process to be far more of a headache than otherwise.

Unless it's prepackaged like a steam deck, moving from the traditional way of doing things to atomic is a major change. Like any major change, people need a good reason to make it, and I think right now the only compelling ones are either hyper-specific (switching to okd and needing to build it on coreos, wanting to move to a specific atomic project, etc.), or just general curiosity.

[–] Amaterasu@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I'm following your path leap on Secureblue, because I found the project philosophy appealing to my interest.

I don't feel the same about the others Atomic distros. I'm probably missing something but other Atomic projects don't seem to be adding much value if you know your thing for workstation home users.

Also, to the OP, reading the comments it seems clear to me that even with the best product you won't be able to please everyone. Although it definitely plants the interest on some that are coming across the topic for the first time, which I think is good. Learning something new should be on everyone's list.

[–] t_378@lemmy.one 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Traditional distros have decades of guides, forum posts, and StackExchange answers. Atomic systems? Not nearly as much. When something breaks at 2am, knowing there's a million Google results for your error message is comforting.

This is my reason. I've been using Arch exclusively for a few years, but have used it on and off since 2008. I still don't consider myself an expert by any means, and I frequently pull the docs and old forum threads to solve issues I run into.

Documentation is the most important deciding factor for me. I didn't use more fully featured distributions, even if they were "easier" becuase if I can't look up the answer, and I have to live with something because I don't know what button to press... I mean you may as well just give me a windows box again.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 15 hours ago

Arch benefits not just from documentation but from its repo. Whatever you get told you need, it is always a relief to find it waiting there for you already tuned for your distro.

[–] Pirata@lemm.ee 2 points 15 hours ago

I'm currently testing fedora (upgrading from mint) and since I'm fairly new I don't want to venture into the fairly unknown territory that is Immutable atm.

Plus, I using a VPN, its crucial for my work, and I already see there are some issues with it because it has to be layered and blá bla bla.

Basically I'm just giving Atomic distros one or 2 years more so that the technology matures, software developers start taking it seriously enough to work around them, and for guides to start coming out.

[–] DeltaWingDragon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Most of the ones out there are weird, anti-configurable systems like mobile phone OS.

The only ones that really seem like "the future" in my eyes are Nix and Guix.

And I'm not going to use those because I already have a good setup with my conventional distro (Debian). Anything less than absolute perfection will not get me to switch.

Nix is imperfect because it uses systemd. Guix is imperfect because it has a smaller selection of packages, and a more difficult configuration system.

[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 1 points 14 hours ago

anti-configurable systems

Yep! This has been my experience too. Once you want to do something that the devs didn't build, then you have to fight the OS.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 1 points 13 hours ago

Immuteability is what enabled me to finally switch over full time. I don't think a lot of geeks yet realize how huge they are going to be for wider-spread adoption.

[–] visor841@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

The biggest thing for me is that a lot of them don't officially support dual-booting on one disk, e.g. Kinoite. I like to have multiple distros installed so I have a fall-back. I love using Tumbleweed for gaming, but I'd love to use an atomic distro for my development work. But I don't want to use one in an unsupported way, as that defeats the point in my eyes.

[–] projectmoon@forum.agnos.is 1 points 15 hours ago

Tried one of the universal blue images on a Chromebook. It was nice. But it didn't contain the scripts/configs to make the audio work. So that was that!

I like the concept, though.

[–] Ludrol@szmer.info 1 points 15 hours ago

I have already switched after arch out of nowhere disabled ipv4. I tried using fedora atomic but the lack of non-free software just didn't work for me (blender + hybrid NVIDIA graphics). I am using bazzite for a week or two and so far so good.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

My current distro uses APK 3 as a package manager and that is already atomic. So I guess my current setup works fine, without any of the other hassles and limitations.

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