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Apple Music isn't the best streaming music service — it's just the least annoying::Competitors like Spotify and YouTube Music may be your first choice for music on Android, but you might want to reconsider

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[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Yah no. Apple's insistence on making everything a pain in the ass if you don't own an Apple device makes it a nonstarter, and YouTube Music just works.

My kids have iPads because they're both artists, but I'll be damned if they're getting any money from me for their craptacular - and yes, deeply annoying - music service. Hell, even setting up the iPads was annoying, because I don't have any Apple devices of my own, and family controls require them, even though there's no reason it couldn't be done on a website.

Fuck Apple.

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[–] jacktherippah@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My experience with Apple Music has been overwhelmingly positive. Student plan is dirt cheap, barely any more expensive than Spotify and has Hi-Fi included. And the app doesn't connect to a disgusting amount of trackers like Spotify does. I'll stay on AM for the foreseeable future

[–] HollandJim@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Same. It’s an impossible fight, with all this magical thinking about Apple biasing any discussion. So much blind hate and no way to debate it.

Apple pays much more to artists - period. That’s why I use it.

[–] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s the fediverse for you! I’ve had better software discussion outside of it tbh.

Anyhow, library management on Apple Music is also way less annoying than on Spotify, especially when handling tracks you import from your local library.

[–] HollandJim@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I’d not just blame the fediverse - I’d call out all social media. Popularity reigns there, not accuracy or facts.

[–] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Tidal pays artists even more, and has some features Apple Music doesn't have for the same price (or cheaper if you're Military/First Responder)

But of course Apple Music is better for some people for certain features it has. And Tidal's hi-fi plan is more expensive. I get the knee jerk dislike of Apple, but nuance almost always gets lost online.

That being said, Spotify sucks lol

[–] supersonicstork@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Everyone picks a streaming service for their needs. YT music has a large library bundled with ad free YT, Apple Music is a natural choice if you're in the Apple ecosystem and Spotify exists too.

I recently switched to Tidal from Spotify and haven't looked back. The UI is familiar enough, having lossless is really nice, and not having my phone lag whenever I open my library is great.

Then there's the other factor of how much each streaming service pays it's artists. To make 1000$ in revenue, this is how many streams an artist needs:

YT Music : 500,000 ($0.002 per stream)

Spotify : 314,465 ($0.00318 per stream)

Apple : 125,000 ($0.008 per stream)

Tidal : 77,882 ($0.01284 per stream)

Granted, musicians almost never make their money from streaming services. However, if an artist were to have that 314k streams on Tidal instead of Spotify, they'd make 4 times as much money.

[–] raptir@lemdro.id 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The number you pulled for YouTube Music is based on free users watching YouTube videos. YouTube Music streams from paying subscribers are 4x that at $0.08 per stream.

The Spotify number is also averaged across free and premium users - I'm not sure the number for premium users only but it is likely closer to what Apple and Tidal pay since those are premium-only.

The other problem though is that none of the services have implemented user-centric payments. So your money on any of the services is going to Taylor Swift, Drake and Bad Bunny no matter who you listen to because everyone gets paid based on their percentage of the total streams.

[–] OscarRobin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The artist rates continually decline for every platform. In the not-to-distant future Tidal will be as shit as Spotify is now.

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[–] sic_semper_tyrannis@feddit.ch 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I buy DRM free music to own it

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Neat, I don’t like any music enough to want a permanent copy of it.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I don't understand how it would be convenient at all to have your whole collection just online, restricted to a single proprietary site/app. I do use musical streaming, but it's for discovering new tracks. All the actual listening happens locally on my computer and player. I cannot afford to actually buy the music, but if I did, I probably would pay for the albums I listen to the most, not the whole library.

[–] sic_semper_tyrannis@feddit.ch 6 points 1 year ago

I buy around $10-$20 a month. Not much but it adds up my collection fairly quickly

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[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Good for you. I buy/torrent music sometimes too. Streaming is popular because it's convenient and the convenience is more valuable to many people than the benefits of "owning DRM free music".

Your comment is entirely pointless and pretty fucking pretentious.

[–] thrawn@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I’ll admit it sounded a little showy to me too, but a lot of the nicher things with their own benefits sound pretentious when just being said in plain wording. I like fountain pens because they’re pleasant to write with but are more expensive and less convenient. Always sounds pretentious just saying I like them and why if I don’t throw in the caveats like I did here.

There’s the chance he is trying to, of course. I try to assume the best these days for my own sake though

[–] Hate@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I don't think his post is meant to be hostile. It's not pointless, but it would add more of a discussion to elaborate on the topic.

On the topic of choosing to own (download (without DRM)) your music, one of the benefits is that it allows you to have all your music available in whichever music player (app/program/streaming service) you like. You can access the music while offline, without being required to pay some subscription fee. If downloading, it's generally also very easy to switch between different players if you so desire to in the future. You can control the metadata (swap album art, edit track info, etc.) You can sometimes even use owned media in tandem with streaming services to put all your media in one place within a streaming service's app/program. Usually, doing this requires less purchases/downloads to get all your media in one place, but still requires a sub.

On the topic of using Apple Music as a player.. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but you needed to use iTunes (on a PC!) to import local MP3 files to Apple Music, which, iTunes, love it or hate it, requires you to not only own a PC, but it has its limitations such as FLAC files being unsupported... That being said, Apple Music does provide a great convenience for many people and it's often cheaper than legally purchasing all of your songs. You can even add your downloaded songs from a PC (but not locally from an android device for some reason??)

I prefer to own my music. For anyone who likes the idea but doesn't know where to start, I can give some recommendations for convenience.

For music acquisition, use a legal website like Bandcamp to purchase your music, most of the money goes to Artists, compared to some other platforms. Alternatively you could pirate.. (illegal! I don't care if you pirate, but I'm not gonna write a tutorial.)

If you want to sync owned/downloaded files, use: SyncThing - free software that lets you automatically mirror file directories between your devices, syncing your libraries with no fees required. Available on Android/Win/Linux/Mac

For players, I recommend:

Android:

PowerAmp - trial & one time purchase, has theming support, massive customization options

Oto Music - lite version or one time purchase, supports downloading & embedding lyrics

PC:

MusicBee - free, has theming support, allows loading network files (local or remote)

Plenty of players available for different functional needs and/or aesthetics, but these are what I currently use.

[–] sic_semper_tyrannis@feddit.ch 2 points 1 year ago

Well put. I typically use 7digital and sometimes HDTracks. Bandcamp confused me but I need to give it another go.

Purchasing music also gives a much higher percentage of money to the artist compared to streaming platforms.

Retro Music is my favorite player for Android and Elisa for Linux (maybe Windows too).

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[–] Synthead@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is the way

[–] whs@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I looked into that as I listened to my playlist most of the time. And then I realize nano.RIPE after 10 years still unable to be purchased outside iTunes Japan or Japanese speaking websites.

[–] sic_semper_tyrannis@feddit.ch 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You realized what? I don't understand

[–] XTornado@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Uhmm it's pretty clear to me.

He says that after 10 years "nano.RIPE" music still cannot be purchased outside Japan.

I guess his point is that sadly that is not always a solution (outside piracy) as sometimes you cannot actually buy certain music, but I am guessing is actually available to be played on the streaming subscription service.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, "nano.RIPE" is a name. I thought it was a spelling mistake.

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[–] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Why is this ad not removed?

[–] PlexSheep@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago

The best streaming service is my selfhosted Jellyfin. I serve me no ads and I'm 100% sure I don't do any shady business with my data.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't apple overwrite people's music with different versions of their songs or something?

Regardless, fuck Apple. I'm happy with Jellyfin.

[–] Oisteink@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago

Yepp - all my bootleg and vinyl rips was suddenly replaced with other versions. Even some of my ripped albums ended up as songs from different albums.

Only reason I still have the Apple Music app is because when I connect my phone in my car with usb, the stereo will give errors if it’s not there. Also starts auto playing when connected even if tidal is playing while connection is made.

[–] rolling_resistance@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Does it have a Linux app? no

Does it have a duo plan? no

Does it have a good rating on Google Play? no

Does it have a decent Windows app? last time i checked, itunes looked like an app from 2005

[–] DeadlineX@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Try Cider, it’s a FOSS and it works on any platform including Linux. There are others, but they are mostly just wrappers around the web app, and Cider is not.

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[–] echo64@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My experience with apple music has mostly been around being incredibly annoyed at the account management and signin process for people who don't have any apple hardware. So I would probably disagree there.

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[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Nah, InnerTune is the best. Has the library of YouTube music, no ads, free, can download songs as actual files (at least in a previous version, which is still available on F-Droid archive)

[–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Everyone I know uses Spotify

[–] OscarRobin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Apple Music is the best music platform by far due to clean and simple focus and UI, performance, and also lyrics. Unfortunately, it still sucks in all the ways that streaming inherently sucks though, combined with its intention to suck you into the Apple world.

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[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

Google Play Music died and was resurrected as Plexamp.

[–] SnowMeowXP@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I had a 3 month trial, that I cancelled in two days. Apple music does not play a lot of songs. Why show them to me when I’m not allowed to hear them? Youtube music works really well, and I am using an iphone!

[–] Psiczar@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago

I much prefer Spotify, interface is definitely more intuitive than Apple Music.

[–] sky@codesink.io 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I switched to Android a few months ago and expected to want to switch away from Apple Music, but their Android app is excellent. Plus they have lossless quality. Oh, and you can upload your own music to their cloud for streaming anywhere.

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[–] obinice@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Spotify isn't the least bit annoying for me though? It works brilliantly and does everything I need it to do and more.

It'll be a cold day in hell before I use an Apple product though.

[–] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  1. Can't turn off album art or colorized elements changing bright colors while driving. (I just want simple buttons to press to change tracks or pause music without distracting album art). This one is legitimately dangerous

1a. The last straw for me was when they deprecated car mode entirely and insisted on even more flashy moving elements in the standard player. It became a safety hazard to use.

  1. Can't combine your own music with cloud music anymore (when Spotify started, you could combine their libraries with your own music if you had something that they didn't)

  2. No normalization adjustments for songs that are too loud or too quiet

  3. No per-device (or at all iirc?) Equalization

  4. Periodic check-in required every (30d last time I used the service) for offline content, meaning if you download stuff to your laptop, don't touch it for a month, and then go on a plane you don't have access to your music.

  5. Constant background app openings. App opens itself constantly to track your location, and broadcast to other devices whether or not you're playing music. Integrated with lots of ad/tracker networks

  6. Quality is terrible. I dunno what it is because apparently I'm not even one of the people that can tell the difference between 128 and 256, but the same song in Plexamp at 320 vs Spotify whatever is night and day, especially on bad car speakers.

I haven't used the service in years and that's just off the top of my head why Spotify is terrible.

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some of these are valid, especially #6 and #7

But a lot of them, frankly, just aren't true:

  1. Can't turn off album art or colorized elements changing bright colors while driving

You can turn off the flashy moving stuff entirely with one setting, if you get distracted by a static album art image while driving then you really should be using a hardware device to control playback instead tbh

1a. The last straw for me was when they deprecated car mode entirely

Car mode is still here, and works perfectly well - in fact they've improved the visual clarity recently to make it even clearer

  1. Can't combine your own music

They won't host it for you, but you can absolutely combine the music on your local device with your local library

  1. No normalization adjustments for songs that are too loud or too quiet

There is a setting for exactly this. I personally think there's something to be said for not modifying songs in the background though

  1. No per-device (or at all iirc?) Equalization

Yes there is, afaik it's per-device only

  1. Periodic check-in required

Ehh, this one's kinda fair from a business perspective - it makes sense that the platform would need to verify your subscription occasionally for licensing reasons, but I can see why this would be mildly annoying if you use it very infrequently and are eg on a plane

  1. Constant background app openings

I'm not sure I can say I've seen any issue with this, but if you really don't like it being active in the background, you can just turn off Spotify Connect in the background in settings

  1. Quality is terrible

If the audio quality is audibly bad then it's likely due to not using the very high audio quality setting, or automatic quality adjustment due to network conditions (again, you can turn this off though it may result in buffering)

Honestly, I don't think playing music through the worst speaker you can find is a reasonable way to assess the audio quality - like yeah, no shit it's going to be bad. "Doctor doctor, it hurts when I do this"

Tldr: just look at settings lol

[–] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I did say it had been a couple of years, and this was all true when I stopped using it a few years back.

  1. Yeah some album art is pretty distracting, especially when it goes from dark to light at a song switch. You can't tell me that I'm the only one that might distract while driving.

1a.Car mode deprication in 2021 without a replacement at the time: https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/26/22803670/spotify-retiring-car-view-android-mobile-playback-auto-driving

  1. Yes there's a global toggle, but if it is not to your liking, there's no way to take X song and boost it 20%.

  2. Per device as in per-bluetooth, not per-app. When you have bad car speakers but good headphones you might want wildly different EQs.

  3. If memory serves, I did try that. It still opened itself constantly. Most people probably aren't monitoring background activities on their phones, but it was like 15-30wakelocks/hr just to exist.

  4. This was with hq on. And automatic adjustment off. I can't describe it other than flat and crunchy but there's something to it, or at least there was in ~2021

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