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Trump Demands Biden Remove Ad of Him Calling Dead Soldiers ‘Suckers’ and ‘Losers’ - The former president said only a “psycho” or a “very stupid person” would’ve made such statements.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

In fairness to Trump (there's a sentence I never thought I'd write...)

"“He said I stood over graves of soldiers and I said: ‘These people are suckers and losers,"

That's technically correct. He did not say those things in public.

Edit I watched the ad, it does not specify that Trump said these things in public, just that he said them which is true.

He said them privately to staff members.

Confirmed by Trump's former Chief of Staff, John Kelly:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump-privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543

But my favorite quote out of all this is the one that barely gets mentioned:

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/02/trump-troops-fallen-soldiers-john-kelly

Trump saying at a 2017 Memorial Day event in Arlington National Cemetery: "I don't get it. What was in it for them?"

Trump is ENTIRELY transactional. The idea that good men would fight a war for their country purely because it's the right thing to do escapes him entirely.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Trump is ENTIRELY transactional. The idea that good men would fight a war for their country purely because it’s the right thing to do escapes him entirely.

In fairness, you only need a bunch of good men to fight a war purely because it's the right thing in order to counter the bad men fighting a war in order to do a bad thing.

Maybe if Trump's attitude had been more common in Berlin in the 1930s, or more common in the US during the 1960s or in Israel or Russia during the 2020s, we'd have skipped a few nightmarish atrocities without having a bunch of good men perish in the process.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"What was in it for them?"

Sounds like a perfectly reasonable question to me... far more reasonable than simply assuming the people who perpetrated the US's colonialist mass-murder campaigns in the third world was simply "good men" (supposedly) "doing the right thing."

Good job making Trump sound more rational than you, hero.

[–] CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This take just baffles me.. you can disapprove of a war, and still respect people willing to put their life on the line for something they believe is right. Even in war, opposing sides have a long history of showing their enemy a certain amount of personal respect, even though they clearly disagree about something to the point of killing each other over it.

Your take is just condescending and unempathetic. You can respect someone for sacrificing themselves without agreeing with them about what they're sacrificing themselves for. Regardless, it shouldn't be hard to see how someone fighting to depose an infamously brutal dictator (Iraq) or a fundamentalist regime that stones women for wanting a divorce (Afghanistan) can believe that they are doing something good.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Masquenox is a troll. Don't take their bait.

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

After reviewing their comment history, I think Masquenox has strong controversial opinions and a bellicose attitude, but is not a troll.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks. Now I have to go ask the duck what "bellicose" means...

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

It means you're looking for a fight, which usually involves bouncers and shit.

[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What did he say about John McCain? "I like people who weren't captured."

Trump has never given a shit about the military or veterans. I'm surprised at how many veterans love him.

[–] Taalen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The military doesn't attract the brightest minds.

Reminds me of a joke that did the rounds shortly after Finland joined Nato.

Finnish general: "You know, it's difficult, we have mandatory military service, but around 15% are unfit for service"

Other Nato generals: "That 15% is where we have to recruit from"

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Buddy, you do calculus under fire and report back to me how well you do. By the way, if you take too long you die. If you get the wrong answer, your friend dies.

[–] Taalen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm a reserve officer, trust me I have some idea. Also, you're missing the point by quite a margin.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think I am. If you think everyone around you is dumb then I feel sorry for the people you're supposed to lead.

[–] Taalen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You're further proving that you missed the point.

[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trump would fill his pants if he was ever in any kind of war zone. But you know that’ll never happen because he’s a coward.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

Invading other countries is not really a feat to be proud of though

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Veteran here. Donald Trump fucking hates 'the troops'. The number of active duty and prior service who still (or ever) support that anti-American shit stain blows my mind.

Here's some light reading - this list is WAY outdated at this point, so feel free to contribute some more links in the comments. These are examples of things he's done specifically to attack the US military / veterans:

https://lemmy.world/post/8041636

[–] elephantintheroom@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah and I wish we could remove Trump from this world. Not happening either. Fuck humanity, we all deserve what we'll get.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What did everyone collectively do?

[–] Art3sian@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Endlessly eat, shit, fuck, fight, and consume for 5,000 years without any regard for anything but ourselves.

[–] paf0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Art3sian@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I was referring to the Bronze Age, urbanisation, and civilisation, genius.