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[–] Skies5394@lemmy.ml 94 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s basically just their Outlook web app. It offers no extra function, and breaks a LOT of old functionality.

There’s a registry key to turn off the button.

[–] adavis@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

The Android app has done this for years too.

After connecting my (non Microsoft) email account to the Outlook Android app I noticed the login location was geolocated in the USA... I live in Australia.

Unfortunately there's no way to turn it off.

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 72 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, duh!!

It’s a web version wrapped in some god-awful semi-native wrapper. Everything the app does is stored on the server. So, yes, like gmail, if you give it access to another IMAP account, the password is stored on the server BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS.

This isn’t a scandal. It shouldn’t be news.

The bigger discussion why are we pretending a server driven mail client is local?

[–] thomask@lemmy.sdf.org 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is the discussion. Microsoft is pretending by making it the upgrade path for two products which actually are local, and hoping users won't notice.

[–] JustARegularNerd@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

At work I've been trying to use the new Outlook but the biggest gripe (other than this new news) is that it's once again, a fucking Electron app and a lot of features have been cut.

I work at an MSP and people have mistakenly changed to the new Outlook, and then find things like their local mail rules stop working (because it doesn't support those anymore), their custom accounting software that would compose an email in Outlook straight up won't do that with new Outlook, for businesses it's going to wreak havoc if Microsoft just force updates everyone.

[–] Desistance@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago

Thunderbird ftw

[–] kapnova9@lemmynsfw.com 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People complain about Apple a lot but I think Microsoft is a much more annoying company and it is very difficult to avoid their products/services. Same with google

[–] Chobbes@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There’s definitely things to dislike about Apple, but a lot of the complaining just feels like some childish console war.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Sure, if you only listen to and care about such petulant complaining.

There are actual gripes to be had that have broader implications.

[–] brihuang95@sopuli.xyz 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What are the more "trustworthy" email clients? Thunderbird still good?

[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Xenxs@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is there a mobile app for Thunderbird?

[–] itsraining@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not per se, but Thunderbird is supposedly collaborating with the K-9 team to make K-9 the mobile version of Thunderbird.

[–] i_am_hiding@aussie.zone 10 points 1 year ago

They acquired K-9 Mail a year ago or so, but it's still K-9 Mail. There's plans and a roadmap, but not much has happened that the end user can see, yet.

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[–] stark@qlemmy.com 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Does Thunderbird work with Exchange?

[–] Kushia@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Yes but it's fiddly.

[–] ares35@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the recent revamp of thunderbird is really good.

em client (commercial product, but free for some--2 mail accounts, home use only) is also a solid choice.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Personally disliked emclient and went back to outlook.
Maybe I'll consider Thunderbird in the future now that it looks modern.
Already using Firefox.

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[–] ares35@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago

not just login credentials, but all your mail, too, even if you aren't using a microsoft-hosted mail account.

[–] XenGi@lemmy.chaos.berlin 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I don't get why people still use Microsoft services. How many data privacy scandals do we need, so they understand? Or do they still not care?

[–] mriormro@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because they're forced to? They own a large slice of enterprise.

[–] XenGi@lemmy.chaos.berlin 4 points 1 year ago

In taking about personal email. I also use outlook at work because I'm forced to, but I would never let these bastards touch my private Mails.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's insanely cheap for what you get

Business wise it's a no brainer

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[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Because my line of work means I working corporations, and they ALWAYS run everything on the big names, Microsoft and Oracle.

At home, I have choice. At work, I must swallow.

[–] XenGi@lemmy.chaos.berlin 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah companies that choose otherwise are rare. But they do exist.

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[–] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even with search engines you can basically choose the Google index, the Microsoft index or the Amazon index

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[–] RocketBoots@programming.dev 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I wish I was a good enough dev to write a swift keys replacement. There's AnySoftKeyboard available, and they're doing an amazing job with swipe input which I prefer, but there's only so much one person can do.

[–] Nyfure@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gesture typing is still in early development. The suggestions bar doesn't work yet so it's really hard to use. Nevertheless, looks promising, and it looks like development is starting back up. I'll keep an eye on it.

I have yet to find an open-source keyboard with gesture typing that is anywhere near as usable as Gboard, unfortunately.

[–] ultra@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A compromise is this OpenBoard fork by Helium314 which is able to use Google's proprietary gesture typing library, which can be downloaded and loaded manually if you want to enable it. It's still a privacy improvement over using Gboard.

[–] RacoonVegetable@reddthat.com 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] WikiBayer@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yet another reason to use Thunderbird or Evolution. There must finally be mobile devices with Linux that are usable.

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