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4 futuristic things the Humane Ai Pin can do as a smartphone alternative (mashable.com)
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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I am calling bullshit on all of their points.

  1. No screen, but a projector to project on your hand? WTF? So not only will it far less information, but it will be a pain to use...

  2. Voice commands? Meaning I will need to tell everyone around me what I am doing? Also calling bullshit on getting them to work in a busy area.

  3. No it can't, there are no ways to detect nutrition from a picture of a peice of food

  4. Privacy? Yeah, get back with me in 20 years when it has been proven to not sell, leak or have data stolen, then I'll be impressed.

In conclusion, this is as real as the Skarp laser razor is.

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No it can’t, there are no ways to detect nutrition from a picture of a peice of food

Why not? at least to the extent that a human can. Some AI model recognizes the type of food, estimates the amount and calculates nutrition based on that (hopefully verified with actual data, unlike in this demo).

All three of these functions already exist, all that remains is to put them together.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ok, if you take any book, keep it closed, how many times do the letters s, q, d and r appear in the book?

There is no way to know without opening the book and counting, sure, you could make some statisticsl analysis based on the language used, but that doesn't take into account the font size and spacing, nor the number of pages.

Since the machine only has a photo to analyze, it can only give extremely generic results, making them effectively useless.

You would need to open the food up and actually analyze a part of the inside with something like a mass spectrometer to get any useful data.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I agree with you, but disagree with your reasoning.

If you take 1lb of potatoes, boil and mash them with no other add-ins, you can reasonably estimate the nutritional information through visual inspection alone, assuming you have enough reference to see there is about a pound of potatoes. There are many nutrition apps out there that utilize this, and it’s essentially just lopping off the extremes and averaging out the rest.

The problem with this is, it’s impossible to accurately guess the recipe, and therefore the ingredients. Take the aforementioned mashed potatoes. You can’t accurately tell what variety of potato was used. Was water added back during the mashing? Butter? Cream cheese? Cheddar? Sour cream? There’s no way to tell visually, assuming uniform mashing, what is in the potatoes.

Not to mention, the pin sees two pieces of bread on top of each other… what is in the bread? Who the fuck knows!

[–] knotthatone@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

It isn't as magical (or accurate) as it looks. It's just an extension of how various health tracking apps track food intake. There's usually just one standard entry in the database for mashed potatoes based on whatever their data source thinks a reasonable default value should be. It doesn't know if what you're eating is mostly butter and cheese.

How useful a vague and not particularly accurate nutrition profile really can be is an open question, but it seems to be a popular feature for smartwatches.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I see what you mean, and while you raise a few excellent points, you seem to forget that a human looking at mashed potatoes have far more data than a computer lookkng at an image.

A human get data about smell, temperature texture and weight in addition to a simple visual impression.

This is why I picked a book/letter example, I wanted to reduce the variables available to a human to get closer to what a computer has from a photo.

[–] adeoxymus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It needn’t be exact. A ballpark calorie/sugar that’s 90% accurate would be sufficient. There’s some research that suggests that’s possible: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2011.01082.pdf

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But what use would it be then, you wouldn't be able to compare one potato to another, both would register the same values.

[–] adeoxymus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think the use case is not people doing potato study but people that want to lose weight and need to know the amount of calories in the piece of cake that’s offered at the office cafeteria.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And that means the feature is useless, there are so many things in a cake that can't be seen from a simple picture.

And if it is just a generic "cake" value, it will show incorrect data

[–] adeoxymus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

The paper I showed earlier disagrees

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You are correct but you are speaking for yourself and not for example the disabled community who may lack senses or the capacity to calculate a result. While ai still improves its capabilities they are the first to benefit.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago

I get what you are saying, but this specific decive had no future.

[–] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

You have to talk aloud so that you're included in the distinct lack of privacy this thing has.

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I hate it. I don't want to speak to people who are wearing one.

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

I feel like that with being photographed. Being in a room full of smartphones, and associating me with them in a large database somewhere. Having someone's kids use tick tock on my home network. Etc etc. We are massively under corporate surveillance, and I despise it.

[–] Eggyhead@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What if it looked like a Star Trek communicator?

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I... I've never really watched Star Trek. I think I could get into it but I've just never really sat down and watched it. I've probably only seen an episode or two in my whole life.

I'll see myself out.

[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What if it looked like Iggy Pop? Zac Efron?

[–] Eggyhead@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I'm just imagining people walking around with smart Iggy Pop badges and having AI conversations with them.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm going to actively avoid people doing so, and I feel like others will as well.

If someone walks up to you and they're filming you on their phone, how would most people react?

[–] nicetriangle@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Fortunately there's almost no chance of this thing getting off the ground

[–] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Another tech that is going to be utterly irrelevant as AR glasses become a mainstream reality like it or not.

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

as AR glasses become a mainstream reality like it or not.

Just like the segway was going to change the way we build cities?

Or how cryptocurrencies will replace national fiat money?

Or how google glasses have already become a mainstream reality?

Or how everyone will watch TV in 3D all the time?

Or how everyone will play games in VR?

Just because a technology is possible it does not mean it will become ubiquitous.

[–] Eggyhead@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hey, I still believe VR is gonna happen... someday... :'(

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

VR has already happened. Are you referring to “deep diving” or whatever word choice you want, where you don’t need to use controllers?

[–] Eggyhead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't know deep diving, I just want a standalone VR gaming headset that isn't owned by an invasive social-media corporation. Until I have something like that in my home, VR simply doesn't exist yet for me.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So if I say… “I simply want an electric vehicle with 2000km range on a single charge, and a 20m charge time. Until that exists, EVs just don’t exist yet for me.”… that means EVs haven’t happened yet?

It’s well and good that you know what you want, that doesn’t mean something hasn’t already been on market for years that fits the bill for 99% of people.

[–] Eggyhead@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Huh. I’m flattered that my opinion about what I want to spend my money on matters enough to necessitate such an astute clarification. Thank you. I’ll try to keep in mind what might fit the bill for 99% of people as I continue to disregard Meta and TikTok products moving forward.

[–] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That device is coming in the coming years.

[–] Eggyhead@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

And I have full confidence that it’ll be one of the devices of all time!

[–] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I fully agree, but to think XR is not going to be the next computing platform is a little surprising. A little as I remember a lot of people saying they would never carry a computer around with them too.

[–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Vr is a fancy display tech for niche games. It's at best another lane in the console war.

AR, actual ar with light fields is not feasible. The tech will never get there. It's just too computionally expensive and the optics don't pan out.

[–] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Never get there? What would make you say that in the face of constant technological progress? It is for sure going to come and Meta and others already have light field display prototypes that they are trying to shrink down. Just a matter of time. VR/AR/MR are all going to be just one device and games will be as big a segment on it as they are on flat screens which is to say, only a smalll slice.

[–] jackalope@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Technological progress is not generalizable in the abstract. For hundreds of years human built faster and faster means of transportation and yet the record for fastest human vehicle remains 1969 appollo 10 mission.

There are hard limits to physics. It is not malleable without limit.

Magic leap said they were going to shrink down their light field tech a decade ago but gave up. The reality is that this technology may just not be physically possible.

[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A built-in 13-megapixel ultra wide-angle camera can be used to capture photographs and videos I bet other people won't like the camera any more than they did with Google Glasses.

Photos can be viewed using the “Center” website on any web browser. Want to see photos? Gotta go to the website. All photos therefore shared. Along with notes, music listened to, reminders .... Nuh-uh!

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

For some reason this is making me wish Jobs were still around.

I’d hope he’d have some subtle burns about this product … maybe about how we’re visual animals and you can’t just throw out decades of progress on screen tech and call that innovation. Maybe something about how we’ve got one voice but 10 fingers and two eyes.

[–] MudMan@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

I mean, it's fun that a techbro thought "isn't the TNG combadge cool?" and actually went and made it, but this was a Youtube video, not a product launch.