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I'm thinking if they didn't use their last timeout, broncos would've had 15 seconds to get the field goal unit out.

That means they sub, so with like 7 seconds left the bills could've sent someone for their own substitution, and they should've been able to burn 7 seconds sending someone off and bringing someone back on, and the refs would have to hold the ball, and time would run out.

Just googled the rule i'm thinking of:

"If a substitution is made by the offense, the offense shall not be permitted to snap the ball until the defense has been permitted to respond with its substitutions. While in the process of a substitution (or simulated substitution), the offense is prohibited from rushing quickly to the line of scrimmage and snapping the ball in an obvious attempt to cause a defensive foul (i.e., too many men on the field). If the offense makes a late substitution, the following occurs:

  • a) The Umpire will stand over the ball until the Referee deems that the defense has had a reasonable time to complete its substitutions.
  • b) If a play takes place and a defensive foul for too many players on the field results, no penalties will be enforced, except for personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conduct, and the down will be replayed. At this time, the Referee will notify the head coach that any further use of this tactic will result in a penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.
  • Note: The quick-snap rule does not apply after the two-minute warning of either half, or if there is not a substitution by the offense.
  • c) On a fourth-down punting situation, the Referee and the Umpire will not allow a quick snap that prevents the defense from having a reasonable time to complete its substitutions. This applies throughout the entire game.
  • d) If the play clock expires before the defense has completed its substitution, it is delay of game by the offense."
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[–] InkBlotSam@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

For one, the defense had plenty of time to make their substitution: it wasn't a late offensive substitution, they made their subs immediately after the play was blown dead. The defense had just as much time to sub as the Broncos did.

Also: "Note: The quick-snap rule does not apply after the two-minute warning of either half, or if there is not a substitution by the offense." Does that mean none of this applies either way?

[–] MysteriousFeetInc@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I would say no regardless. Even if they used the last timeout at a different point, like persay less than 20 seconds, less than 15, 10, the Broncos had an extra down to safely spike the ball, w/o turning it over on downs, or execute a quick pass play, assuming Wilson doesn't take a sack or gives himself up on the play.

[–] Nickppapagiorgio@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Section a uses the term "reasonable" which is ultimately at the discretion of the official. May day field goal attempts don't happen in a vacuum. Everybody knows it's coming. It's reasonable to expect the defense to be ready and move quickly like the offense is doing.

[–] ghigoli@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Maybe you should ask. Why did the bills give up 50+ yards in the last minute?

The receiver from kick off got the Broncos so much ground that they only needed 10-15 years for a field goal.

Then a PI happened and the rest was what you saw.

The bills could of won if they did better on the 4 plays before the field goal.

[–] dellscreenshot@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

No the ref doesn’t have to give them time to sub within 2 minutes