upgrade yellows to sinbins
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10 minutes would be too long.
5 for the first offence (maybe second team offence is longer)
Goalkeeper captains will disappear if they introduce this change.
Wish I could have a job like these guys from IFAB or FIFA
Not really a fan of only the captain can talk to the ref, feels so childish. Just punish dissent
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My idea is that if you get booked for dissent you have to do 100 push ups and can only return to the field once they are done.
YAY! Ref here: that’s great news. PLEASE! Plus a rule that the coach can ONLY speak to the 4th official; any comments to/at/about the CR and ARs is automatic YC. That’ll shut them up quick and make them focus on coaching their team. #OnlyLosersBlameTheRef
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Football's lawmakers are also considering adopting rugby's rule where only the captain can approach the referee.
Good! The crowding that happens to refs is embarrassing and does nothing positive for the game.
Playing the game at a very low level (but in the official football pyramid in England, we've had sin bins for dissent for years.
It works great at our level, and I'm interested to see how it translates to professional football.
I don't think anyone really wants to see someone sent off for dissent, this gives the referee a softer option for enforcement.
Hell I think sin bins for other infractions would actually help football. One of the biggest problems with the game right now is refs being afraid to make a big call. Give us a sin bin between yellow and red and suddenly many of those "big calls" become easier for a ref to make. They aren't affecting an entire game, they are rightfully punishing someone for 5-10 minutes.
It also actually immediately punishes the team making the infraction. Right now, the only downside to a first yellow card in the 88th minute is a potential for a suspension later down the road. It doesn’t actively hurt your team during that game unless you do something else in the next 5 minutes. Now players committing dissent would actively be hurting their team and players would be incentivized to self police their teammates rather than further the pile on knowing the ref won’t book 5 players at once.
Imagine how city would have to cope if a tactical foul+yellow also carried a 5-minute sin bin
I mean they don't get yellows now, so they wouldn't change.
I play rink hockey at a decent level, and used to play football, where cards go yellow, blue then red, with yellow and red working as expected, and blue being a 2min sinbin (quicker game than football, more often than not resulting in opposition scoring). Works brilliant
It’s a terrible idea. Deal with dissent with yellow or red cards. I know some people push for sin bins in football but the game will be awful. Teams down to 10 will just time waste and play act until the 10 minutes is up.
Better that time wasting the whole game if a player gets sent off
Sin bins are a terrible idea for football, teams would just do whatever they can to waste 10 minutes
A couple of minutes sin bin for various offences is a good idea.
I know it won't happen but a pro rata fine (let's say 20% of their net weekly wage) for dissent would do wonders, actually hurting players wallets has a far better likelihood of reducing bad behaviours than a yellow card.
I just think this is so simple. You don't need sin bins.
Allow only the captain to approach the ref and anyone else who does so gets a yellow. You stick to that the first gameweek and it instantly stops it. Done. Problem literally sorted straight away.
Have them release a statement before the weekend that says these players will receive yellows and they fully back the refs to do so, making it clear to everyone so there's no complaints and taking some pressure off of the refs.
If you don't limit it to captains then the issue becomes what does a ref deem dissent Vs normal behaviour, and that's caused the shitshow we are in now.
There's just no need to complicate things and I don't know why they haven't sorted it yet.
I wonder how many years we are away from AIR (AI Ref) which will do all on-field officiating objectively. Penalty decisions, fouls, handballs - an AI model trained with all of the millions of hours of footage we have could eliminate the human factors from officiating these things completely. What will the players do? Complain to a computer monitor?
I’d choose so many other dystopias before that nightmare.
This blindly running into an AI future is going to bring scary times.
If we're going to import practices from other sports, then I would suggest a tennis-style three appeals system.
Therefore, when a ref yellow cards a player because an opponent tripped themselves up, this can be immediately rescinded (see also recent Eze yellow).
You mean for VAR checks yeah?
Manager's/coach's challenge. First one is free, right or wrong. Second one if wrong, manager gets a yellow card. If they eventually do the sin bin/player, a player on the pitch is chosen to serve the 2/4/5/10 minute penalty (but the cards do not go against the player's record, only the manager).
I don’t see why they have to bring in new rules when the existing ones aren’t enforced.
I’m sure they mentioned about only allowing the captain to approach the ref early on and then that seemed to disappear.
Sin Bins should replace yellow cards, they are fucking useless IMO.
Best example Euro final Saka is almost through on goal and Chilleni drags him down, result yellow card. That is just stupid a free kick from there is pretty useless too. There is no punishment for the crime. And refs refuse to give some yellow cards esp in the first 10 -15 mins. So a foul deemed a yellow at 90th min is not at min 5, because they need to keep all players.
And punishment for accumulation of yellow cards is again ridiculously stupid as it is. Oh you have 5 yellows take a day off, and even if he is player that will be missed terribly the advantage goes to team that wasnt at the end of any of his yellow card fouls.
Go with hockey, green = 2 min off, yellow = 10 min off, then have a 2nd yellow still equal a red and off for the rest of the game
How about adopting the Rigby rule of showing VAR on the screen and letting people listen to them too?
WTF is a sin bin?
Yes please. It kills the match for me. I can’t stand to see it.
Why is this not already a thing? There's literal no one who likes what's currently happening.
I think VAR should be allowed to review Yellows as well. How often do we see a soft first yellow leads to a send off from a warranted second. Basically we need the sin-bin, plus better use of VAR (and more competent referees lol).