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Normie here, what's wrong with systemd?
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Nothing, it's just bloated but in practice if your system meets normal distros system requirements systemd isn't going to make that much of a difference in practical use.
Bloated when being run on a potato.
Luckily 99.9% of people do not compute on a potato.
@Gork @nutbutter just look at /proc/1/maps on systemd-powered system :)
I do not see any reason keeping all of this in init. It might be implemented in optional lightweight services, not in single monster-binary
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Debian, installed without systemd as per the wiki. So far I've not hit any issues, whilst I've recently ended up diving through both kernel and systemd code to find the root cause of an issue I was hitting on one server. I could have just bodged past it, but I wanted to actually understand what the issue was, and what else it was going to affect.
Maybe a stupid question, but is the thing you did fundamentally different from Devuan?
Honestly, I'm not sure, I was looking at Devuan, but then noticed that Debian supported sysvinit natively so I went that route instead. I figure that sticking to the source distro was going to give me fewer headaches, and so far it's been plain sailing.
I suppose that would be Android, since that's the only non systemd OS I use.
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Windows 7
Nintendo 3DS
OpenBSD
FreeBSD! It's so simple, and so reliable
In terms of Linux, either Devuan sysvinit, Void, or Alpine.
I am also a fan of BSD.
Artix with openrc
GNU Guix System, using GNU Shepherd as init. It does its job quite well.
How is Guix? I run NixOS right now, and I didn't find Guix until like right after I invested all the time and effort to learn Nix. I kind of want to switch, but I also don't really want to abandon Nix right after I learned it.
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cat propaganda
There are few system manager (single project or a mix of components) that use linux features efficiently and none have dev resource remotely comparable to systemd. That's why in practice systemd is the best system layer implementation on gnu/linux. Android and chromeos userland (upstart derived) are not exactly (freedesktop) gnu/linux.
EDIT: the post ask which OS though. Including userland I like android a lot, but I would say illumos distros (OI currently). illumos has a system management similar to systemd (contracts in place of cgroups for example). Actually systemd was heavily inspired by SMF too.
what is that little pixel cat at the top? It also appears on https://katia.ripe.net/ is it referencing something?
Oh, I just use this app called ANeko. Here's the f-droid link.
It makes a cat run on my screen all day. It was there when I took this screenshot.
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OS400 (IBM i)
postmarketOS, though they are in the process of migrating to systemd. Not that I personally mind terribly much, even if it feels like a bit of an odd choice. So maybe I should say Alpine.
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It's either Slackware (Linux, no systemd), OpenBSD or NetBSD.
True story: I install a Red Hat server with a disk shelf with about 12 SAS disk in it. Red Hat has systemd. Everything works fine for a month.
One (1) disk out of the 12 fails. No biggie. Shutdown the server cleanly. Replace disk. Flip power back on. Rebuild disk config. Simple, right?
Wrong. You see, systemd is unhappy. It detects a new disk. It has lost a previous disk. And so, it refuses to boot. Period.
Yes, there are ways out of this. But that was the day I decided systemd was the down of the devil.
This has never happened to me on a systemd server before. Methinks you left out some details
Probably systemd panicked because disk id has changed. Not a reason to stop booting but that is why people hate it. Tries to handle everything, badly.
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Slackware linux
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OS/2
MX Linux of course
Artix has the most amount of alternative init systems available.
I would recommend Devuan, but it just wraps SysV in runit as a service manager rather than just using runit as init.
Gentoo has options for systemd or openrc. You can get runit or s6 to work on it if you're pretty familiar with how /sbin/init works,or so I've ascertained from researching, but have not done this yet.
Void is very interesting as it uses runit and also uses musl instead of glibc. I don't think it has quite as many packages as Artix though due to lack of AUR, and I can only estimate that the use of musl instead of glibc necessitates the need for some interesting workarounds from time to time.
I use Artix with runit. Have been daily driving this for around 6 years now and have been very happy with it.
If I were to use anything else I'd go through the trouble of installing Gentoo and configure it to use s6 init. Just to get more granular control.
MacOS. I use Linux for servers, Mac for daily driver. Windows for zilch, only at my job because I have to.