I pirate movies because I think digital access to them is overpriced, goes to the copyright holder instead of the creators, it's convenient and most importantly because I can.

I can't pirate going to the cinema, nor can I afford to build my own, therefore I gladly pay to have a seat and enjoy a movie there.

Edit: I thought this may be relevant to the movies example I gave. I don't think movie studios, giving nothing back to society after massive profits are the ones we should debate the morals of stealing with.

[–] Fapp@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But all of those are excuses?

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 1 points 1 month ago

What makes them excuses and not reasons?

[–] Allan8795@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I'm amused at these statements these 'wannabe' pirates make to justify piracy. A smart person would pirate quietly without letting the world know or justifying it.

I know why I do it & I don't want some validation, internet points, 2 minutes of fame to sound / look cool.

[–] reddit_refugee@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You've just let the world know you're pirating though

[–] simin@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

oops lol

[–] lich_hegemon@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because for some piracy isn't simply about being a cheapskate but also about activism

[–] TommySalami@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Theres some truth to this, but a lot of people do use this as a shield against the general cultural acceptance that piracy is stealing or otherwise morally underhanded. I do it, but I don't have any illusion I'm one of the activists. I just get indignant and refuse to pay someone for content or entertainment who I think is damaging to the medium or predatory in general. I feel like if I really wanted to make a statement, I just wouldn't consume their work at all -- but life is short and I want to have my cake and eat it too.

[–] DrownedAxolotl@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

So true! Here, have some internet points and validation!

[–] quirzle@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don’t want some validation, internet points, 2 minutes of fame to sound / look cool.

No, you just need everyone to know you don't care about sounding/looking cool to sound/look cool. Totally different.

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Too cool to be cool syndrome.

[–] Hypnoctopus@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

You just said admitted to pirating, you little muppet.

[–] hyperhopper@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Especially when the statement makes no sense

[–] diskmaster23@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They are screaming because they rather pay for convenience, but that is not how it works.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah. And, in fairness, as a non-pirate, I read along here for tips and tricks to get a non-shit streaming experience out of my home hosted hardware.

If I could still pay for a non-shit streaming experience, I would just do that.

[–] what@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Until we live in a world where people have equal access to information and essential technology piracy is a moral imperative.

Should something which costs a few hours worth of work in the developed word cost three weeks worth of work in a less developed country, just to make a publishing company worth tens or hundreds of millions of dollars a few extra bucks? Of course not!

Every other argument is a moot point to me. If I hadn't pirated Photoshop and other software when I was a poor kid I wouldn't have the six figure career I have today. The ultrarich steal from us every day in more ways than I can count. Maybe when they start being held accountable I will start caring about their bottom line.

[–] Sentinian@lemmy.one 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Can we not become subreddit by posting this shitty screenshots trying to justify our reasons? Just share your media and enjoy it.

[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

what do you mean trying to justify? discussion of shitty anti consumer tactics in digital media is perfectly valid

[–] Sentinian@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A screenshot of some comment is not really discussion though. This is a pretty base level understanding of the concept, which is why I say it's more cope then actual discussion.

[–] denemdenem@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is one of the most popular posts this week here with more than 4 HUNDRED comments. I don't know what you view as a discussion but I think this was a pretty successful attempt at creating one.

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[–] snor10@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Our current system of copyright is flawed and only serves the interests of corporations.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think this logic is silly.

Employers don't own you, so witholding wages for services you provided isn't stealing. Getting a haircut and not paying isn't stealing.

I think the better justification is: rights holders make it a pain in the arse to access content affordably, so fuck you, just going to steal it.

[–] mineapple@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're only partly right. You example services. Of course it is not possible to own services. Piracy is only applicable to products. The point of the Twitter guy is, that companies intentionally stop selling their software etc. as products to sell you the same thing as a service, so that you cannot own it.

[–] noisetricks@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago

I think you slightly missed the point too. I think he meant that even when you buy games for example (or any other software).You don't actually buy the game. You only buy a license to use that software.

[–] starchive@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

This is what I’ve been saying. We don’t even own digital products, all it takes is a server to be taken down or an account to be lost and all you bought is taken away. Pirating also can’t be stealing because we aren’t taking something away from someone else, other people are not deprived of the chance to have this just because we downloaded it.

[–] Gsus4@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago

Major reason not to buy ebooks from amazon: you can't lend, give, exchange, sell them and you may lose all of them if you anger the right people. They are not yours, you are not buying them, you merely paid for conditioned access to them.

[–] crimeschneck@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@ChatGPT@lemmings.world

What is your opinion on the following argument defending piracy, as in copyright infringement: "Piracy can't be stealing if paying for it isn't owning"

[–] ChatGPT@lemmings.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As an artificial intelligence, I don't have personal opinions or feelings. However, I can provide an analysis of the argument. This assertion appears to be examining the complex relationship between ownership, copyright, and piracy. While it's true that purchasing certain types of media doesn't confer full ownership rights in the traditional sense (you cannot replicate and distribute a DVD you bought, for instance), it doesn't necessarily justify piracy. From a legal perspective, piracy is considered a form of theft as it involves the unauthorized use or distribution of copyrighted material. The argument could be seen as an attempt to redefine or question these understandings, but that doesn't necessarily change how they're treated by the law.

[–] EuphoricPenguin22@normalcity.life 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

ChatGPT: Your argument is invalid because it doesn't change the legal reality of things.

Me: The legal reality needs changed.

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[–] narshee@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

This is inaccurate. You are not buying it (the media), you are buying the right to stream it (as long as the seller provides the media as a stream). You don't "buy" a movie unless you are paying for it's ownership, which would be millions of dollars. For physical releases you buy the disk and the right to watch it under certain conditions (DRM). And you generally don't have a right be able to "buy" or have access to all media.

But all that doesn't automaticly make it amoral. ~~this comment is gonna be downvoted to hell~~

edit: There are probably gonna be more responces, so this will address everything else I have to say. What I wrote is how things are legally, more or less. I don't like that either. I do consider piracy stealing (under current laws) and morally right. Stealing is just not that great term for digital stuff. Please don't try to (uselessly) sway me and don't infight

[–] Melkor@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago

That's kind of their point, because we are not in fact buying the media the argument is that piracy has some moral element. Put another way there is no option to own it outside of piracy.

[–] Quetzacoatl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago

this meme is a criticism of that. it shouldn't be like that. if I buy a chair, I own the chair. I can then choose to sit on it, burn it, or give it to my neighbor, whatever. if I buy a movie, it's suddenly not like that – but not because of some inherent quality that would make it impossible, but only because they say it is like that. but they have one weakness: it's only like that if we actually stick to those rules. they're all arbitrary anyway! we can therefore treat a bought movie just as it should be: a physical copy that we actually own. we can then decide to watch it, to lend it to our neighbor, to play it for everybody to see on the street, to cut it and remix it and do something new with it. will they come and claim we've "pirated" their media? yes of course, but this is nonsensical, dead law, that has to be broken again and again by just – ignoring it, and making it not so. if I buy a movie, I do own the movie, and the company that says otherwise can get fucked. that's what this is about.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago

For physical releases you buy the disk and the right to watch it under certain conditions (DRM).

I'd like to point out German law (maybe this expands to EU and other countries) with traditional media.

Traditionally you bought movies and music on physical discs. You had a guaranteed right to be able to sell it to other people, as well as make personal copies of it for private use/backups.

DRM has always tried to oppose this right. And obviously, in the last decade(s) a lot went into service-oriented streaming and temporary access instead of owning even on a partial or theoretical level.

[–] solarzones@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

galaxy brain

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

That's my YouTube comment. You and so many others are making me feel like a badass. 😎

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Well paying for it is essentially leasing it, piracy is neither. So...

[–] Retirix_YT@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

To be completely frank, I couldn’t care less if it’s stealing or not. They should sell their shit for cheaper if their companies care so much, which I’m not sure they really do.

[–] LeHappStick@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Here I am wondering why there is still a downvote button in the YouTube comments... it does nothing!

[–] BeegYoshi@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Actually it's worse than nothing. Youtube promotes comments based on engagement, so while only an upvote increases the tally, voting at all still makes it more visible.

[–] Poob@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The same reason that a lot of crosswalks have fake buttons. So you feel like you have control.

[–] faladorable@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

and why elevators have non functioning close buttons

[–] Iridium@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Some elevators.

All the ones near me have fully functional close buttons.

[–] c0m47053@feddit.uk -1 points 2 years ago

This is why I only carjack rental cars, it's totally not stealing!

[–] SirPutts_a_lot@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Child logic to justify behavior. Be better than this ya’ll.

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